Arizona dumb laws debunked

Although I enjoy your site I must point out that most of the laws that you list for Arizona never existed. I know because I debunk them in the book: Arizona, Myths, Fallacies and Misconceptions.

I'm not sure how these "dub laws" originate but many of them are more like urban legends -- they keep getting passed on even though they have no basis in fact.

Sorry had to remove your link as you are trying to sell something and that is not allowed


[This message has been edited by Idnew (edited July 11, 2001).]

[paulgro]

Welcome to the board. I don't think we've ever got spam this way before... Give us some examples...

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[RayH]

I'm a fourth generation native Californian and can guarantee that what they say about our state is UNDERSTATED!

As requested, here are some examples:
Hunting camels is illegal: It is true that the army did experiment with camels in the 1800s. A couple camels did escape but they quickly died of natural causes or were killed by hunters. There are no camels in Arizona (except at the zoo) and there are no statues pertaining to the hunting of camels. Source: Arizona Game & Fish Dept, which controls all hunting regulations.

Wearing a red mask is a felony: There is no such law and my research could not turn up any law like this in the past.

Nogales: "Suspenders are illegal" The Nogales city attorneys office claims that they get calls about this from time to time. There is no such law and the person that I spoke with said that she searched historical records and could not find any mention of there ever being a law like this.

Glendale: "Can't drive in reverse" Police dept and city attorneys office say that there is no such law.

Globe: "Playing cards with Indians” City Officials say that this is untrue and could find no record of there ever being a law like this.

I could go on. Almost all of the Arizona laws you list here have been debunked in my book. If you disagree with any of this, please indicate an official source (statue number or official spokepeson) that proves me wrong. I’m sure that you will not be able to find one. The intent of my post was not to spam your site but to point out that some of your information was incorrect. I mention my book because I debunked many of the “dumb laws” when I did my research for it.

[Idnew]

Welcome Arizonan. To start with none of us believe all the laws that are on this board but they do make for some good humor even if they are not or ever have been on any books.

Sorry about having to delete your link but the owners strictly prohibit spamming. You can link to a personal site, maybe a pointer page in your sig but not directly to a site that you are trying to sell something.

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[paulgro]

Thanks for the list. We get these laws from sites on the web and don't say they're 100% true. We want people to tell us when they're not....

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Actually, the Camels still exist in arizona, accounting to documentry regarding the later part of the civial war.

The experiment with the camels was to build a camel cavery unit. It being rather desert like, it made perfect sence to give camels a shot, no great shock here. but the camels were disbanded.

Now, as far as the law hunting camels, I don't know, but as they were at one point the property of the U.S. Army, and camels were not native to the region, it would make sence for there to be a Goverment ordance, if not a military statute regarding the hunting of Camels.

But small pockets still exist in arizona / nevada.

Now documenteries on the subject, you'd have to browse the discovery channel program guide for "Camel Cavery" or something to that effect. I can't verify the law, but I remember the US army using camels in the south west.

Now, if you want stupid laws, see if you can pull one about pheonix and the requirement of grass shown on your lawn.

I appreciate your comments and agree with most of them. Yes, camels were tried experimentally during the late 1800s, and yes, a few of them did escape. However, all of them were recaptured or died. There are no wild camels alive in Arizona and no laws exists regarding the hunting of camels. At your request I did try searching the Discovery Channel site and found no evidence to the contrary.

Also, if you want to prove someone wrong you should not tell them that "they" should search for information that proves them to be incorrect. If you disagree with any of my statements, you should be the one to provide the evidence to the contrary. Saying that you saw something on TV once is not very good evidence. I am perfectly willing to revise my statement (and my book) if you can find any legitimate source that proves that wild camels roam Arizona today -- I'm confident that you won't.

Well, I'm still trying to refine my memory on the subject......

"Camel Cavery" Perhaps it was actually the history channel. My mistake.

but unfortunatly I can't pull up a reference cause camels have been a part of every american war in the past 80 years or so, in their smokable form anway.

but sorry for the vague reference without approperate link, yes it's pretty unconviencing that fact that "I saw it once on TV", but never the less, the only arizona cammel reference I can think of as to recent camels was brodcast on the History Channel. At-least claiming of the existance of now wild camels in the Sonoran Desert

most of these AZ laws are true.

You can find the law for camels at fort hauahcuca a military base near nogales. this order was never repealed and therefore still stands.

I was fined for smoking in my car at a stopsign in mesa.

Glendale.. Illegal to drive in reverse. this is a common traffic rule... try driving down the street in reverse and see how long you go before getting pulled over.

the water law is also true.

There are several odd laws concerning indians and reservations in arizona. i know that globe is near a reservation so i wouldn't be suprised if that law was actually on the reservation and not in globe it's self. not to mention that city officals do not often admit to such things.

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>most of these AZ laws are true.

While I appreciate your comments and am willing to accept the fact that I could be wrong, I need to make the following comments.

>You can find the law for camels at fort huahcuca a military base near nogales.

Please quote a specific source that can verify this. I will be be very surprised if you can. If you know the laws exists how do you know? Post a copy of the actual language.


> I was fined for smoking in my car at a stopsign in mesa.

If find this hard to believe. There was a major public backlash in Mesa when they prohibited smoking in some restaurants a few years ago. People protested in front of City Hall. If they proposed a law that banned smoking in the privacy of your car there would probably be riots. What was the statute number that you were cited under. It would be on the ticket you got.

>Glendale.. Illegal to drive in reverse. this is a common traffic rule... try driving down the street in reverse and see how long you go before getting pulled over.

It's against the law to drive recklessly, not backward. Sure you can't drive backward down a busy street but if you need to back up to parallel park there is no law against it. No law "forbids driving backward"

>the water law is also true.
Quote the law or statue number.

>There are several odd laws concerning indians and reservations in arizona. i know that globe is near a reservation so i wouldn't be suprised if that law was actually on the reservation and not in globe it's self. not to mention that city officals do not often admit to such things.

Your response is pure speculation. The fact that you would not "be surprised" if the law existed does not mean that it does. Again, if there is a law like this still "on the books" then it should be easy for you to find a source. Why would city official not admit to laws which written in their statues? It's public information.

In summary, if you say these a law exists the please offer some tangible proof. Most state and municiple statues are on the internet now. Post a link to the statute. Post the actual language and the source.

[weldordave]

Its not a "camel law". It is a law prohibiting the destruction of government property! When the US Army field tested camels in the SW the locals were scared ****less of this strange animal. The locals were concerned with their grazing lands and some even thought that camels were man-killers. Camels, being nomadic in nature, occasionally left their military confines and went sight-seeing. At least one was shot by a local rancher. The law he broke was destroying government property. A more modern example of this is dogs. Injure a police dog and its "assault on a police OFFICER"; injure or kill an Army scout dog and its "destruction of government property". So, it can be screwed around to say:"It is illegal to hurt a dog in the Army". Sorry, can't quote Army Regulation numbers, pages, paragraphs. Retired a long time ago. This is more than I ever wanted to write about camels. Say goodnight, Gracie.

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My goodness what a camel-ish conversation...

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