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April 3rd, 2002, 10:00 PM
Photo-radar idea shields adulterers

By Trent Seibert
Denver Post Capitol Bureau

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - Photo radar was designed to keep roads safe, not to catch two-timing cads, says a state legislator who wants to change the state's photo-radar law to keep spouses from uncovering an affair.

Right now, when speeders are caught on photo radar, the photo, complete with image of driver and passenger, is mailed to the driver's home with a $40 ticket.

House Minority Leader Dan Grossman said he wants to amend a photo-radar bill so that those photos snapped of speeders - along with the potential evidence of someone's cheatin' heart - stay with police.

"I call it the adulterers amendment," said the Denver Democrat, who also said he's been a faithful partner to his fiancee.

"The purpose is to increase traffic safety, not to catch people cheating on their wives," he said.

Grossman's plan could add a new twist to a years-long, passionate debate over photo radar. It could even become part of the debate Wednesday, when the photo-radar bill comes up in a House committee.

Supporters of photo radar say it's a great way to keep cars from speeding through school zones and allows traffic cops to make better use of their time. Opponents say photo radar is a cash cow for cities, unreliable and an invasion of privacy.

Grossman's proposal, though, raises the spectre of an adulterer's worst nightmare: a husband coming home to find his wife has discovered that she's not the only one sitting in her spouse's passenger seat.

It's happened at least once in Colorado.

A spouse sweating bullets frantically called Commerce City police after his picture was taken by photo radar. He admitted to police that he was having an affair.

"He 'fessed up. I told him to come in and pay the fine, before his wife paid it, and he could have the photo," police spokeswoman Elaine Rowe told The Post in 1998. "He paid the fine and destroyed the evidence."

Such rumors about the dark side of photo radar have buzzed about the legislature for years, including whispers about a Colorado legislator who had to come up with a Texas-sized tale for his wife after getting snapped by photo radar with a woman he had no business being with.

Denver police and other local police departments say they don't know of any such incident.

Grossman's proposal, which he said he's doing to garner support for photo radar among his fellow lawmakers, has some privacy advocates scratching their heads.

"Of all the concerns with photo radar, this is pretty far down the list," said Stephen Keating of the Denver-based Privacy Foundation. "If someone was nailed for having an affair after getting a speeding ticket, some people would call that just deserts."


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jettmotto
April 3rd, 2002, 10:17 PM
lol thats good a ticket and a divorce lmao

weldordave
April 6th, 2002, 10:01 AM
No way Jeff. That harp don't play here. First of all, you have the right, as an American, to be confronted by your accuser. They'll have to uproot the camera and bring it into the courtroom. Secondly, more cameras giving tickets = less cops needed for patrol. Slash their budget because cameras are doing the work of patrolmen. See how the Union feels about that! This program has been tried to be forced upon the people of the great state of Washington and we have said "hell no" every time. Maybe the rest of you are ready to surrender your rights to a camera but WE THE PEOPLE are not.

April 6th, 2002, 10:15 AM
No cameras over in Georgia either, but they seem to be popping up more and more in other parts of the country nowadays...

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weldordave
April 8th, 2002, 06:39 AM
Who starts all this camera stuff? It seems like the idea pops up, the people voice their objections, and it goes away for awhile. I hear that other countries use cameras for neighborhood watch which seems like a good idea initially, but before I'm submitted to the watchful eye of Big Brother I'd like to hear some opinions of those who live under that yoke.

Phreakmeister
April 8th, 2002, 06:44 AM
We got it here. In the inner city, in the like clubbing area. Before the cameras were put in place, a lot of fights took place. After the cameras came, it dropped. People got more or less scared of performing criminal behaviour, because they knew there was a camera to watch over them. And when fighting or other criminal behaviour did occur, the police knew about it sooner, could be at the spot sooner and could intervene sooner. Afterwards, there was proof in court against those guilty of the criminal acts.
So I think it's a pretty neat system, if used with caution.

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Zany-J
April 8th, 2002, 12:54 PM
We have loads of cameras here in the UK. In London, they reckon if you go out for the day you are caught on CCTV about 200 times. At tube stations, shopping centres etc.

(Read about it the other day) -apparantly though it does not prevent crime, it just shifts it to somewhere else.

Enforcer
April 9th, 2002, 08:59 AM
I hear ya Zany

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weldordave
April 11th, 2002, 06:20 AM
I heard on the radio today that Hawaii is doing away with "camera speeding tickets". Right to privacy thing. For my non-Yank readers the right to privacy is a BIG thing here. Phreak says "if used with caution". That scares me because once the GOV. gets something going it tends to throw caution to the wind. English CCTV I thought was a good idea but you Brits say that crime just moved where the cameras were not. I think cameras in police cars are a good idea because it protects both the police AND the citizen. The American police have a tendancy to be a bit overzealous in their persuit of enforcement. Yes, I can cite examples. But the whole thing of "Big Brother" watching everybody, all the time reeks of the Gestapho, Stasi, KGB, ect. I'd really like to hear what Canadians, Aussies, Zelanders think about it.