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kontulib
November 14th, 2002, 02:06 PM
Drunk men abuse small child on public bus in Helsinki




Bus driver Oiva Säkkinen, who has only recently moved to Helsinki, had an unpleasant shift last Saturday. The events began when two men and a small child in a stroller boarded Säkkinen’s bus on route 42 in the Kannelmäki district.
The temperature was over fifteen degrees below freezing, but the child, an 18-month-old girl, was lightly dressed and she was crying already when they boarded. The men were completely drunk, and they had more alcoholic beverages stashed away in the stroller. Säkkinen deduced that the duo’s Saturday night celebrations were only just beginning.

“First the men asked where the bus was headed. Then they almost forgot the baby at the stop. The other one suddenly noticed what was happening and said that they cannot really leave her there, can they”, Säkkinen recounts the beginning of their journey.
“It was a horrible situation. After all, the child was absolutely helpless.”
As the little girl continued to cry on the bus, the men yelled at her to shut up. Säkkinen could see in his mirror how the men slapped the girl around the face with their caps and tried to cover her mouth to stop the screaming. “I was very concerned”, he recalls.

There were some fifteen passengers on the bus – including a few strong-looking men – but no one intervened in the events. Finally, when the bus was driving in the Ruskeasuo district, one woman had had enough and went up to Säkkinen to complain. By that time, Säkkinen had already grabbed his mobile phone and was calling the police for assistance.
The police met the bus in downtown Helsinki. The squad took the trio along, and a social worker was also called to the scene. The child was handed over to the social welfare authorities at around seven p.m.

At least on Monday, the matter was not yet being investigated as a crime. The other man is most likely the girl’s father. The girl was returned to her mother and the father spent the night in lockup.
Bus driver Säkkinen is amazed at the indifference of the bystanders. “Only one of the passengers reacted to what was going on. Usually people are self-centered and do not intervene in other people’s affairs, no matter what happens on the bus.”

Phreakmeister
November 14th, 2002, 03:04 PM
Too much aggression in the world is wrong, but this is the other extreme. Do something about the witnesses. If people know that they will be "taught a lesson" if they do these kind of things, it's enough "threat" for at least some not to do things like this anymore. And all small bits help.
And those abusers? Throw them in a deep dungeon and 'lose' the key.

kontulib
November 15th, 2002, 06:15 AM
Some things I just can´t stand and those things are child molesters and child abusers...

w1che
November 15th, 2002, 08:03 AM
You people over there are teaching...Don't make judgement calls on other people for any reason...So this is what you get.. Live with it because it will get worse before it gets better..

Serendipity
November 15th, 2002, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by w1che
You people over there are teaching...Don't make judgement calls on other people for any reason...So this is what you get.. Live with it because it will get worse before it gets better.. Huh? Where do you get these absurd notions? Who, "over here", is teaching what to whom, Wunch? "We" may understand that it's good not to discriminate with prejudice, but we still, as ever, judge people by their actions - hardly "for any reason".

jstnomega
November 15th, 2002, 09:14 PM
w1che, Where ya hangin' these days? Kinda boring, imo, in here.

Phreakmeister
November 15th, 2002, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by w1che
You people over there are teaching...Don't make judgement calls on other people for any reason...So this is what you get.. Live with it because it will get worse before it gets better..

In what way are not standing up to child molesters and not having prejudices related?

sinecure
November 17th, 2002, 01:15 AM
Jeez, Phreak...

Can't you see that they are both moral judgements?

...now let's all go back to our regularly scheduled program of the more important issue of our time, "Hebrew National vs. Oscar Mayer-- a frank discussion."

:D :D

w1che
November 17th, 2002, 03:48 AM
Over there, is over there in the never never land you guys live in. Where almost everything is OK. I mean could be these two guys were spanked as kids & someone picked on them in the past. You know their background was so bad they just didn't know it was wrong to get drunk & freeze a baby to death.

Don't judge other people because the differance between knowing right & wrong is a gray area. There are no bad people in the world. Oh No, we're all good at heart you just have to look deep enough... This is the world you liberal do gooders want so live in it and don't bitch.... :cool

w1che
November 17th, 2002, 03:51 AM
jstnomega.. I guess I'm hanging here until you can come up with a better idea.. I'm real sure these America bashers would be very unhappy to see me leave..:D

Phreakmeister
November 17th, 2002, 08:31 AM
W1, were you serious about Neverneverland? If so, that immediately explains all your other gibberish. If you would be so kind as to come with a more substantial post next time, then we would actually have something to react to. Because words are too good for this nonsense you've posted.
Wake up and smell the coffee, w1. If you really wanna know what Europe is like, I suggest you come over. That way you actually know what you are talking about. Because clearly you have no idea what Europe is like.

AWPrime
November 24th, 2002, 04:29 PM
This abuser must be thrown in a cell with electrified beercans.

Serendipity
November 24th, 2002, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by w1che
jstnomega.. I guess I'm hanging here until you can come up with a better idea.. I'm real sure these America bashers would be very unhappy to see me leave..:D

Wunch:

You're a Euro-basher. Don't project your own faults onto others, and do at least try to answer the question.

If the European members here criticise the US, you might try to listen to what they have to say and why. Then, if you have some sensible criticisms of Europe and Europeans, put them forward by all means.

In this thread nobody has suggested any kind of forgiveness for the two men in the OP (quite right too IMO), yet you seem to think we're all sweetness and light towards them. Where do you get this idea? Please read the thread.

I certainly don't want you to leave DL! :lol :)