Should a State enter the U.s. without causing War?

I think a State should enter the U.s. without causing War, but, we may have to go to war to get the territory, http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif.

[Idnew]

No we shouldn't have to go to war and we shouldn't just take it either. It should be agreed upon. Like when Alaska and Hawaii became a state.

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it was hard to agree when the U.s. wanted Texas, :d, wasn't it?

[little_army_babe]

Well I'm not sure about Alaska but I know that when Hawaii was annexed they weren't too happy! It took 2 people in congress to overrule a petition that the hawaiian people signed NOT to become a state and to this day they still aren't happy about it. I don't think that we have a right to do that. I also know that they weren't too happy when we tried to make Puerto Rica a state and it didn't pass because of the petition they signed. What was so different in this day and age than then?

No I don't think that we should go to war just to make something else a state. It's unfair.

[weldordave]

Our territories are very unique. The one that I am most familiar with holds regular elections to decide 1) statehood 2) status quo 3) dissolve from union. Status quo always wins. It all depends how their charters are written.
MY OPINION: Be cautious of "fair weather friends". Those that want to ride the coattails of America when it suits them and want to break away when they percieve no threat. American is not a part-time status. Territories enjoy all the aspects of this country like citizenship, protection, economic fortune, and representation in our government (non-voting). And they pay taxes. As far as I see it, territories ARE states but we just don't have a star on our flag for them. I would consider an attack on PR, The US VI, or Guam the same as an attack on Ohio.
Texas was mentioned. Texas would have done very well as it's own country, but the current Texas would be what is now Texas and all of Mexico and maybe a little of Central America. Probably more powerful than the current US as far as the global situation is concerned. The history "what if" game. Who the he11 would be dumb enough to mess with Texas?

[The Empress]

Originally posted by weldordave

MY OPINION: Be cautious of "fair weather friends". Those that want to ride the coattails of America when it suits them and want to break away when they percieve no threat. American is not a part-time status.

I sense that you were referring to more than the territories discussed earlier. Was that also meant as a jab at Canada?

[Serendipity]

W-Dave, just who do you mean by "fair weather friends"?

[weldordave]

Empress-Please note "break-away". Since Canada has Nothing to "break-away" from the US, you should realize that Canada was not implied.
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[jettmotto]

first off this is my 100th so feel privaliged:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :

w-dave i agree 100% all these places wanna be behind america when were upset or doing very well finanically, but once the water gets a lil choppy they back down! you put it best when you said "american is not a part-time status" take us, or leave us, just don't play us!:mad anyhow going back to surfing bye now

[Phreakmeister]

Little Army Babe:
What Idnew is referring to is not Seward's Alaska Purchase of 1867 or the annexation of Hawaii in 1898, which made them US territories. What Idnew is referring to is the admission to the Union in 1959 of Hawaii (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761576663&pn=8) and Alaska (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/Refarticle.aspx?refid=761569148&pn=8).
Am I right, Id?

[JPaulJ]

Interesting question. If you can't get Hawaii, why don't us UKites sell you Scotland? :) (You could rename it East Massachusetts :))

And Minion, I thought Texas wanted to join the Union rather than the other way round. They were under threat from the Mexicans and we were casting our greedy, avaricious, imperialist-glazed eyes across the Atlantic too, so they saw the Union as the best place to be.

[weldordave]

No, Texas, or should I say The Republic of Texas, was caught up in a sequence of events plus a rivalry between Texans. I stereotype Texans (true Texans) as rattlesnakes. Leave them alone, don't pi$$ them off, and MAYBE they won't bite you.:wave

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by weldordave
No, Texas, or should I say The Republic of Texas, was caught up in a sequence of events plus a rivalry between Texans. I stereotype Texans (true Texans) as rattlesnakes. Leave them alone, don't pi$$ them off, and MAYBE they won't bite you.:wave

Actually,texas gots its freedom the same way the states did.There were a lot of Mexicans fighting against santa anna to make texas free.

Sam houston did not want texas to enter the uninion but he got out voted.


Dave,rattle snakes always give warning when there is time.Otherwise,WATCH WHAT YOU ARE DOING.


:wave

[weldordave]

Originally posted by DEAD ZONE


Dave,rattle snakes always give warning when there is time.Otherwise,WATCH WHAT YOU ARE DOING.


:wave
Dead Zone's a$$ is shaking rapidly and making a distinct noise!:eek:
Seriously, I've made a few comments about "Bad A$$ Texans", their attitude, and the way Texas is run and the Euros have had a good time with it. They are just lucky that Ann Richards is not US president. She would make the Bush boys look like sniveling cowards.
Ann Richards for President! Phreak has not even had the pleasure of sniping her. She could give him a whole website of his own!:lol

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by weldordave

Dead Zone's a$$ is shaking rapidly and making a distinct noise!:eek:
Seriously, I've made a few comments about "Bad A$$ Texans", their attitude, and the way Texas is run and the Euros have had a good time with it. They are just lucky that Ann Richards is not US president. She would make the Bush boys look like sniveling cowards.
Ann Richards for President! Phreak has not even had the pleasure of sniping her. She could give him a whole website of his own!:lol

Ma richards.

tex cob.:cry

[Dogface]

The Louisiana Purchase was a purely peaceful transaction with France, the internationally-recognized legal owner. These territories then entered the USA as states through peaceful means (excepting Bloody Kansas).

[dubstyler]

for a current similar argument, check out somewhere called Gibralter- been british for years, people there want it to remain so, Blair wants rid of it and what the great one says seems to go..... Maybe his chum dubbyas gonna come in for it, itd be a nice harbour for US warships...