Worst american press 2

[DEAD ZONE]

Who was the worst pres from the list
Jimmy carter

Andrew Jacson

Gerald Ford

Bill Clinton

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Ulysses S. Grant

Calvin Coolidge

Richard M. Nixon

Abraham Lincoln

William Howard Taft

[Phreakmeister]

Funny, how the only two presidents involved in impeachment procedures (Nixon and Johnson) are not on the list.

[aclu14]

Clinton was never impeached; almost was though.

President Clinton was indeed impeached. However, impeached does not mean being removed from office. Both Presidents that were impeached, Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson, were aquitted by the Senate.

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by Phreakmeister
Funny, how the only two presidents involved in impeachment procedures (Nixon and Johnson) are not on the list.

Clinton and Nixon are both on the list.
Get a new set of glasses.And note,i did try to get a wider spectrum of political views without a cop out excuse.

[Phreakmeister]

I withdraw the name Nixon. He indeed was on the list. My mistake, for which I humbly apologize.

But Andrew Johnson, the first US president to be involved in impeachment procedures is not.
Bill Clinton was never impeached. Impeachment procedures were brought to Congress, but were 'nay-ed'.

Impeachment doesn't mean that your are kicked out!

Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't found guilty, he was acuitted by the Senate........

Don't talk, Phreak, unless you know something about what you are talking about.....
TAFKAM

[Thus Spake Zara]

Originally posted by Phreakmeister
I withdraw the name Nixon. He indeed was on the list. My mistake, for which I humbly apologize.

But Andrew Johnson, the first US president to be involved in impeachment procedures is not.
Bill Clinton was never impeached. Impeachment procedures were brought to Congress, but were 'nay-ed'.

Articles of Impeachment
of President William Jefferson Clinton
Resolution impeaching William Jefferson Clinton, president of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Resolved, that William Jefferson Clinton, president of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against William Jefferson Clinton, president of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

ARTICLE I

In his conduct while president of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of president of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:

On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning one or more of the following: (1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate government employee; (2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a federal civil rights action brought against him; (3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a federal judge in that civil rights action; and (4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.

In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the presidency, has betrayed his trust as president, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.





You've got everything wrong phreak, for example, it's a proven fact that Bill Clinton was impeached, Socialism is wrong, and if brains were a job you'd be on welfare! You've gotta get these things straight before you open your mouth.

[kontulib]

T.A.F.K.A.M./Maderic!!! STOP INSULTING PHREAK!!!

[Thus Spake Zara]

I bet he believes George W Bush plotted September 11th also.

These are the types of things that occur when you ignore facts, and follow fantasy.

NO K-Lib! I'm on top of this issue, and I'm right, and my greatest thanks of appreaciation to TS Zara, for digging up that thing about Clinton, and proving that Phreak is wrong........again!



I am the Game..........
TAFKAM

I edited this and if you really want to be banned you just keep it up. Idnew

[Thus Spake Zara]

Same goes for you Zara. Knock it off or be banned. No more warnings. Insults and flames on members don't cut it with me. Also Zara you need to shrinken up that sig please

[kontulib]

You guys know the rules. You can have different opinions but insulting is forbidden. Understood?!?

[w1che]

I thought they were stating opinions??? I guess it could be facts in this case though... :D

[Sjax]

Originally posted by Thus Spake Zara
I bet he believes George W Bush plotted September 11th also.

These are the types of things that occur when you ignore facts, and follow fantasy.
Cute. First you give the guy a point of view that he has never come close to express, and then you critizise him for that. Nice argumentation.

Mods. Seriosly, I have always supported giving people an extra chance to improve themselves (maybe I have needed that myself, once in a while) and accepted their apologies, but T.A.F.K.A.M., maderic, Thus Spake Zara, or whatever name this distorted individual uses have already been given some extra chances. I say ban the fellow.

[Thus Spake Zara]

Originally posted by Sjax

Cute. First you give the guy a point of view that he has never come close to express, and then you critizise him for that. Nice argumentation.

Mods. Seriously, I have always supported giving people an extra chance to improve themselves (maybe I have needed that myself, once in a while) and accepted their apologies, but T.A.F.K.A.M., maderic, Thus Spake Zara, or whatever name this distorted individual uses have already been given some extra chances. I say ban the fellow.

2 Facts. I am not maderic, and I did not *give* the guy a point of view, my wording was "I bet".

It was sarcasm anyhow.

If I were to get banned for insulting a person, who doesn't take the liberty to get any facts straight, rant on about crap he has close to no knowledge of (*cough*, the USA and it's history), and is equally insulting as myself, then so be it. The guy made me angry since my arrival here, and thus I tried and ignored his threads up to this point. You will never see me treat a person worst than they first treated me first.

So I am not sorry, and I am not sorry
This is what you deserve

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by Phreakmeister
I withdraw the name Nixon. He indeed was on the list. My mistake, for which I humbly apologize.

But Andrew Johnson, the first US president to be involved in impeachment procedures is not.
Bill Clinton was never impeached. Impeachment procedures were brought to Congress, but were 'nay-ed'.
I was wondering why you said Nixon.Was it late when you did that.It happens when you are tiered.Just a simple boo boo.no fines,no impeachment ect. :)

Clinton was impeached by he house.He was not convicted.Johnson was not either and was a southerner who took over after a popular president from the north was killed by southerners aftersaving the union.Basically,a political issue.They really wanted the south to pay .Johnson did not as Lincoln.Perfect time to attempt to remove him.

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by kontulib
You guys know the rules. You can have different opinions but insulting is forbidden. Understood?!?

What he said.Come on guys,that does not win friends or influence folk.

[Thus Spake Zara]

Originally posted by DEAD ZONE


What he said.Come on guys,that does not win friends or influence folk.

I will have restraint with personal comments toward him in the future, despite the aminousity. That's only on a personal level, I will try.

No trying to it....DO ITI will not only ban the both of you but all your IP #'s

[Sjax]

TSZ: I have missed the point where anybody insulted you. Would you please link that. And no you will not try to behave. You will behave, or somebody will probably and hopefully ban you.
I am so tired of people who are unable to draw the line between discussing and fighting.

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by T.A.F.K.A.M.
you stupid Dutch boy........I figure that there isn't any hope for you Phreak.......this is useless........ you operate on the few brain cells that you have, and their are clouded by your Socialist views......


:lol :lol :lol

[Idnew]

Thanks for the emails about this and keep me informed. After I clean up this latest mess and if they do it again they will be banned. No more chances for either of them. TAZ I also don' t see where anyone insulted you.

[paulgro]

This is really getting old. Get your act together or get out...

[DEAD ZONE]

come to think of it,i should have put reagon in there to be fair.
http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/jump3.gif

[Phreakmeister]

Those who think that Clinton was impeached, forget, that only the Senate can impeach a president, and the US Senate dismissed Clinton's impeachment.
For more information on United States impeachment proceedings, read this Washington Post Special (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/iguide.htm). The impeachment as accepted by the House of Representative has hardly any legal standing. It is, at best, a vote of no confidence. The only body that can perform impeachment, and consequently remove the president from office, is the Senate.

Impeachement, Phreakmeister, is NOT getting removed from office. Impeachment is getting formal charges against the president. Do you have a draft of the Constitution available?, if so, you may want to read it. If a president is thought to have committed a crime the House of Representatives have a vote whether or not the President is going to impeached, once again that being only formal charges being brought upon the President. Next, the vote moves to the Senate, or the upper house, and in that house they vote whether or not the President is removed from office. It must be decided by a 2/3 majority and the Vice-President will be sworn into office.

Both Presidents who've been impeached, President Johnson, and President Clinton, were not convicted of the crimes. So if you think President Clinton was not impeached, then you are saying that no president EVER has been impeached. Both Clinton and Johnson went through the exact same process.

Somehow through time the phrase impeachment has caused many people to think it means being removed from office. I always think that it is worse to be misinformed and totally uniformed. I remeber quite well the entire impeachent process with President Clinton and I even have the entire thing on tape. I could ship it to you if you'd like. Though I found it a horrible embarrasment to our nation, it was a good lesson of how our republic works.

[w1che]

T.A.F.K.A.M. Is right... Impeachment is the same as an indictment. It's up to the senate to hold a trial & convict or not convict...

Impeach...

1. To make an accusation against.
2. To charge (a public official) with improper conduct in office before a proper tribunal.
3. To challenge the validity of; try to discredit: impeach a witness's credibility.

Clinton was impeached just not convicted...

[Phreakmeister]

I do have the Constitution here. The relevant article is article 2.

Article II

Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:


Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.


The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.


The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.


No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.


In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.


The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.


Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.


The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.


Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.


Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors

[Phreakmeister]

Impeachment has two meanings, both the legal definition (making the accusation against an official) and the popular interpretation (the consequence of that accusation). Clinton was impeached in the first sense, but not in the second.

Phreak,

Popular interpetations? I don't think they matter in an arguement like this. The difference between the right word, and the ALMOST right word, is the difference between lighting and the lightning bug. Impeachment, meaning the removal from office, is only misinformation. Most things are in shades of gray, but this one is clearly black and white.

[w1che]

There is one impeachment..House..And one conviction..Senate..

It's funny how some people only post what supports what they want to use to mislead..

Try this...

The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.

Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by T.A.F.K.A.M.
Phreak,

Popular interpetations? I don't think they matter in an arguement like this. The difference between the right word, and the ALMOST right word, is the difference between lighting and the lightning bug. Impeachment, meaning the removal from office, is only misinformation. Most things are in shades of gray, but this one is clearly black and white.

A word is not only a word, but also what it stands for. Words, by nature, live by the grace of interpretation. Interpreting is what gave us words in the first place. And besides that, definitions change in the course of time. I could mention countless words that now mean something else than they originally meant. One example of this is the word capitalism. The official meaning of this word is merely the economic free-market system, as advocated by economic liberalism. Throughout the years, largely under the influence of the Cold War, it has received a political connotation. Same for the word communism. In origin, it merely is an economic theory about the relationship between socio-economic relations and socio-economic circumstances, and their influence on politics. Throughout the years, and again largely under the influence of the Cold War, it has come to equal political oppression.

Well, then how about you interpet this: Your wrong about impeachment, just admit it.

[Phreakmeister]

I've answered that before in this thread, on the previous page. Look it up, if you feel the need. No need to reiterate here.

[aclu14]

:cool Phreak has a better grasp of the English language than maderic and zara, and he's not even American.

*thinks* Actually, that makes sense...it was the Americans who invented text messaging (which completely destroys the concept of language)

This is not a matter of the English laguage, it is a matter of definition. You are either using a word like impeach in the right way or not in the right way.

[Serendipity]

P-Meister, you, like everyone else here, are capable of being mistaken, and it would do you no harm to admit it. Heaven knows it sticks in my throat to say so, but "impeach" means what it means, and never mind letting the word evolve until it means something else. Message boards are about communicating, so it helps if we use common terms here, yeah? If you didn't understand what impeach means, then please be good enough to say so and then can we please get on with discussing the topic, which has something to do with the worst American President ever (excepting GWB and Bill C)? Thanks :)

[weldordave]

Originally posted by Phreakmeister
Impeachment has two meanings, both the legal definition (making the accusation against an official) and the popular interpretation (the consequence of that accusation). Clinton was impeached in the first sense, but not in the second.
Oh, I love that one! Two meanings! NO, Dutch schoolboy, our constitution only allows ONE meaning. ONE! Any descrepencies on meaning are taken care of by "checks and balances". A very foreign concept to the Dutch, but it is how politics are conducted here. Two meanings, oy vay. How about educating us dumb Americans on TWO "meanings" of taxes? That, we'd actually care about. How about TWO "meanings" of espianage? Treason?
"I didn't MEAN that! I MEANT the other!" Love to hear that line in a Federal case!!!:lol

[Phreakmeister]

If anyone here, before condemning me, would read what I posted on the previous page, which I also said to TafkaMaderic, would know that it's no use condemning me, because that has already been dealt with.

But to prevent further misunderstandings:
By definition A you are right (the indictment of an official), by definition B I am right (the possible consequence of such an indictment).

And dave: stop using that "Dutch schoolboy". It's getting old and weary, besides being wrong.

[weldordave]

:lol BUT IT HAS TWO MEANINGS!!!!:lol

[Thus Spake Zara]

Oh. My. God.

That is all.

[AWPrime]

Why isn't Reagan on the list?

Didn't he F###up the US economy?

[Idnew]

No he did not. Interest rates went low and have stayed low. That may not mean a lot to you but to someone like farmers(I was) that borrowed a lot of money every year it meant a lot.

You are wrong Phreak! Why can't you just admit it? Is it that much of a bruise to your ego, to just admit that you're wrong, for once?! There isn't 2 meanings.......end it!

But I will stop arguing with the ignorant...because there isn't a way to convince the ignorant of their mistakes........Talking to you right now, Phreak, is like talking to a brickwall........

TAFKAM

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by AWPrime
Why isn't Reagan on the list?

Didn't he F###up the US economy?
No he did not really.And I admited I should have added him,just for those that hate him if nothing else{like some clinton votes}.

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by T.A.F.K.A.M.
You are wrong Phreak! Why can't you just admit it? Is it that much of a bruise to your ego, to just admit that you're wrong, for once?! There isn't 2 meanings.......end it!

For the quadrillionth time: go back and read what I wrote. When you would be so kind as to do that, I'd be very grateful. Or don't you want to read it because it doesn't fit your tactics?

Talking to you right now, Phreak, is like talking to a brickwall........

TAFKAM

Gee, have I taught you a new word?

[BeetleJuice]

Actually, Phreak is right to a certain extent.

What everyone fails to see is there are 2 definitions to the word Impeach.

The one dealing with Presidential Impeachment deals with the legal term. Legalese is convoluted at best.

Then there is the "Common" definition. To impeach one's character. Which is to call into question. Or in the case of this thread (using this as an example Phreak) Some are impeaching Phreaks education?, intelligence?

And yes Clinton was impeached in both uses of the word, but he, like Andrew Johnson was not removed from office.

As far as worst Prez? There are a couple that spring to mind.

[weldordave]

Worst?? There is more than TWO MEANINGS!! which one do you mean?? :lol :lol Two meanings!!!!!!!:lol How about TWO meanings of speeding or home alcohol distilling...now that would be helpful! How about TWO meanings of Royal Family:lol