French music

[Phreakmeister]

The law requires French radiostations to play 1 song in French (so it can also be from a Swiss or Canadian or Belgian artist, or any other country) for every English song they play.

This means, that in 1 hour, in which they can play about 14 songs, at least 7 of those songs have to be in French.

No wonder the French are no language miracles.

[Serendipity]

Hmmm. Zebda, Alpha Blondy, MC Solaar, Les Negresses Vertes, even Les Inconnus... There's some great French music.

[Phreakmeister]

I myself am more into Noir Désir and stuff like that, but ok, I never said that French music can't be good.

All I said was, that if u impose so much music in French, that it's no surprise that the people hardly speak a foreign language.

[ogb]

Okay, then I disagree. I know max. 5 good French songs - and they all sound the same. Doesn't matter, I'm just passing France on the way to London and I got enough cassettes in my car http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

Well, it looks like I'm going to try to defend France once again, as I've just answered to the thread about french language http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif There's in fact a law which imposes radios to have 40% of francophone artists. It's not one french song per hour or whatever. It's calculated by month. If you listen to any radio on a sunday morning between 7am and 12am (when no one listens actually), there's only french music at that time. It's at that moment that they fill the quotas. The law which instituted the quotas also says that 20% of all songs must be from new francophone artists.

This law is still controversial. It has two goals : help the national music industry (a protectionist measure, this can be criticised) and help new artists (a cultural measure - i think it's a good idea to help new artists being discovered).

But I can guarantee you Phreakmeister that it's not because 40% of songs played are in french that the french are "no language miracles". First of all, there's still 60% of the songs that are in a foreign language, in great majority, in english. Second, I really don't see what kind of link there can be between the educational system (and now, english is taught from primary school) and a law whose first aim is economical and cultural.

OGB, if you listen to MC Solaar and then to Noir Desir, i doubt you'll find they sound the same !

[Enforcer]

*has mixed thoughts about the subject*

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[Phreakmeister]

What is the best way for children to learn a foreign language?
It's not at school, it's through music. And let's face it, the more French songs are played, the less non-French songs can be played, the harder it is to learn other languages.
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be French music around. A lot of great music has been in French throughout the years.
But it is not stimulating to the language development of children to have an awful lot of French music around.

[ogb]

Don't know, PM. I just can talk for German kids and they rather listen to the melody than to the text. The 'younger' radio stations play about 80% English, 15% German, 3% Italian, 1% French music - but I never heard of someone who learned a language thru music

[Enforcer]

I know that I already spoke way more English then other poeple at first (For the poeple who still don't know yet, I'm dutch) because I could read sooner and could read SUBTITLES sooner
so y'know I think most of it I learnt from TV but nothing from Radio.
And when I listen to french music I don't understand the lirics and i don't learn SH*T
but i think it's very possible that radio has an affect on it
But I still think TV has more effect.
Dunno if They have a French Mtv and if they have to abide by a similar law.
Can anybody find out about that.


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[Enforcer]

maybe someone who understands french a little better can check this out for it
http://www.culture.fr/
TF1, (http://www.tf1.fr) France2 (http://www.france2.nl), Canal+ (http://www.cplus.fr), RTL (http://www.rtl.fr), TV5 (http://www.tv5.org) en Radio France international (http://www.rfi.fr), are all just their own commercial cites as you would expect.

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I agree that kids aren't likely to learn a foreign language from listening to music. I'm English and don't understand half the lyrics in English-speaking songs, even if I'm listening out for them.
When I'm in Germany I sometimes try and work out the lyrics of songs on the radio (and to be honest, most music in German is pretty clearly sung - and pretty crap) and though its interesting to see how much makes sense, I can't say I've ever learnt anything from it.
Incidentally, I can't recall hearing a single song on the radio in England in a foreign language for years (for obvious reasons). It just would never be popular (compare for example the popularity of DJ Otzi's (sorry no umlaut here) Hey Baby in Britain with Anton aus Tirol which was released in the UK but nobody's heard of). Not that this proves anything because the British are embarassingly crap with languages anyway, due to the impression that "the world speaks English", so why bother. Shame...

[ogb]

I deeply apologize for sending DJ Ötzi to England. As far as I know he even entered the top 10. But at this time it's neccessary to mention that this crap is coming from Austria and not from Germany http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Phreakmeister]

No, it is I who is bound to apologize. Anton aus Tirol wasn't even Austrian. They are Dutchmen who regularly perform for Dutchmen and -women during a ski holiday.

[Sjax]

Whoever is responsible for DJ Ötzi definately owes us an apologi http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Phreakmeister]

Mea culpa

[Enforcer]

DUTCH ARTISTS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!
I should know. I'm dutch!

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[Phreakmeister]

NO!!! Green Lizard rules!!!!!

[Enforcer]

Ok GL and brainpower are OK, but that's it!

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[Phreakmeister]

En Osdorp Posse. En Sprooksprekers. En Onderhonden. En Subwoofers. En Within Temptation. They rule.

Down with the commercial crap, hail to the underground. Alternative power.

[Sephirstein]

I dislike protectionism...Especially if it involves French music...Quebec rap is so pathetic that I've listened to it for comic relief.

I just think its sad that there has to be a law like that. People are so Brainwashed into listening to the same type of music in the same language that a lot of really nice cultural music is dying out. Yeah brazilian rap or chinese punk might be pathetic but its really cool when some american artist uses some beats and influences from India on his music. I am sure for the people in India that is also pretty pathetic. Go to europe to any club and see the bongo player trying to make the dance music all latin or african and stuff. If everybody would just wake up and start appreciating music regardless of language or origin or wheather it plays on MTV or the radio there wouldnt be any need to have laws like that. There needs to be no nationality attached to music and even language. Does anybody else find funny that colombian artist shakira only now becomes really famous after starting to sing in english as well as spanish? She is just as good as before.

[Enforcer]

*agrees*

and welcome


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[Phreakmeister]

Mwoah. I'm not really into music like Shakira is making. I really love Finnish hiphop. Also because the language really suits hiphop perfectly.

"Meitsi ei leipää ennenku vallotettu oon radioo ja televisioo"

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[This message has been edited by Phreakmeister (edited March 18, 2002).]

[Sjax]

Finnish hiphop, thats a new one. Can you say the name of some bands, I would like to hear that.
I'm very much into hiphop. Right now one of my favourite bands is the german band Fünf Stern Deluxe. Do you know them?

[Phreakmeister]

Only heard of them once. Some guy on Dumblaws.com told me about them http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

One of my fav songs is Voittamaton, by Fintelligens. Or Stockholm-Helsinki, by Fintelligens f/ Petter & PeeWee. Swedish and Finnish rappers working together....
Another Finnish band is Seremoniamestari.

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[Enforcer]

I've noticed more and more lately that poeple in scandanavia (and Denmark, if you don't account is as a scandinavian country)
(actually, especially Denmark)
have a lot in common with us dutch...

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[Sjax]

I absolutely consider Denmark a part of Scandinavia, and I agree with you. We have a lot in common, both politically and culturel.