Chinese child law

why does china have a law prohibiting couples having more than 1 child?

[paulgro]

Because of over population! They have more people then they know what to do with.

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[Serendipity]

I've heard that if every Chinese person jumped up and down at the same time, it would cause tidal waves in the US. Some secret weapon, huh?

[Idnew]

Really Dippy http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif Yes China needs some kind of law they are really over populated. Some of those other places need something to like India or those places you see on TV to feed the hungry. Looks like they need to do something about birth control first then feed them.

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[cleoeo]

I read a while back that China has 20% of the World's population and only 7% of the World's airable (sp? able to grow stuff on)land. They've been pushing the available land so hard to grow enough food that it's getting ruined, much like the "fertile crescent" is now mostly desert. Big problems are looming, and the totalitarian Government is getting very worried. Hungry peasants get ornery.

It's "arable", but you were close http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[paulgro]

It's one of the few times I have to agree with a government stepping in. If this country was in the same situation as China, I would agree with this law for this country. Better then seeing people starve to death.

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[~wildangel~]

Paulgro!Thats a terrible thing to say!I'm shocked! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/eek.gif
It would be a horible law If americans could only have 1 child! I have 2 boys and I would'nt be able to have a girl! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[paulgro]

I'll take that back if it would be a blond girl!!!!!!!!! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Serendipity]

I agree with Paul (not about the blondes.... I have never found a link between hair colour and female ineptitudeSTOP HITTING ME IDNEW IT WAS A JOKE http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif ), it's a draconian law but circumstances in China are not like in the US, ie they don't have enough food. I mean, they didn't bring in this law for the fun of it or to wield a bit of power.

[~wildangel~]

http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/eek.gifPaulgro http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/eek.gif

lmao at the both of you SILLY men!

[RayH]

1.2 Billion people..........

[ogb]

Overpapulation is not really true if you consider the number of people in relation to the area. In China 126 people live on a square kilometer (Germany 227, USA 27, UK 238), this is acceptable. You may not forget that the birth limit is a way to have a better military control over the population.

[Ada_Doom]

The really sad thing about the one child policy is that in Chinese culture it is more desirable to have a son who will care for you in your old age and who will bring in a dowry when he marries, rather than a daughter who you will have to pay to marry to someone else and then give up to her husbands family. Therefore a lot of baby girls are being abandoned in ditches and given to orphanages because parents want their one child to be a son.

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[paulgro]

When we say overpopulation we're not talking land we're talking food...

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[RayH]

Actually in Chinese families, it's the GROOM's family that foots the wedding bill.

China is overpopulated people. Try to feed your family by multiplying it by a factor of five...everyone!

My sister adopted a girl from China. She's cute and smart. That describes both my sister and her daughter! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Ada_Doom]

The grooms family pays for the wedding, but at least traditionally, the bride brings a dowry with her (which probably pays for the wedding).

Well done to your sister though, these poor little tackers need someone to love thenm!

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[RayH]

Actually, in both China and India (in about a generation), WOMEN will become highly prized due to the lack of them!

[Idnew]

Well the women of India are being treated like crap right now from what I understand.

Actually some of these women in the US needs to have a law put on them. They just keep having kids to draw more welfare and not have to work. Kid gets to be 3 I think then the welfare stops so they just have another kid. China is doing the right thing for now I think. Wonder what the penality is though if they have more than one? Anybody know?

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[RayH]

In the U.S., our tax and social welfare system has been condusive to creating larger families. In China, it's probably the opposite. At least, that's how it used to be.

Defying the government (or neighborhood committees) by marrying early and having multiple children is bad for their pocketbook. The parents may find their salaries reduced and social welfare benefits also reduced.

Right now, only the well to do can afford to have multiple children. They have to pay for all costs.

But note, that certain ethnic minorities are encourged to have larger families. Those sectors are desired to grow. But for Han, one child tops!

[paulgro]

In China what they were doing, I don't know if they still do. When she had her first child she was sterilized.

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[Ada_Doom]

That's horrible, but I suppose it gets rid of the problem, and in a controlling society like China, I can't imagine that anyone complains, even if they could.

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[amr]

Originally posted by Idnew:
Wonder what the penality is though if they have more than one? Anybody know?



It's been a while since I read this, so it may not still be true, but the original "one child" policy was more of an incentive system rather than a punishment one. If you had one kid, the gov't would give you better housing, tax breaks, etc. If you were on that policy and had another kid, you'd loose all those benefits, but I don't think they brought criminal charges or anything like that.


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[Ada_Doom]

I think I heard that somewhere too, in the days when I did GCSE Geography....

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What would happen if a Chinese woman had twins, or even triplets? Or if a couple's only child, God forbid, dies; Would they be allowed to have another baby?

[paulgro]

I would assume nothing would happen if they had multiple births. Noone said they would kill new borns. I also think if the child died in child birth, she would be able to try again. This is my opinion, I don't know this for a fact...

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[Ada_Doom]

I would assume that since the purpose is population control, there would be no point in preventing a couple whose child has died from having another baby, but like Paul, I'm just guessing.

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[RayH]

Chinese have very low incidents of multiple births. In times past, it was either thought to be evil. Both children were killed at birth. So this almost eradicated the gene.

[Ada_Doom]

That's interesting Ray. I didn't know that.

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I don't think it has anything to do w/ genes. If a woman overovulates, this could result in fraternal twins, because the sperm have more than one target to shoot for. As for identical twins, this a spontaneous occurrance.

[Ada_Doom]

It does tend to be that case that twins run in families though, doesn't it? I certainly always thought it was genetic!

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[Serendipity]

I doubt it, Ada. I've never heard that it was anything other than a freak occurrence, but I don't know. Mind you, I heard about a woman who had twins on her own birthday, the next year she had triplets, also on her birthday, and the following year she had quads, also on her birthday. A bookmaker worked out the odds against her having quins on her following birthday was something like fifty trillion to one... she didn't, anyway, I think she called it a day.

By 2010, almost a third of the Chinese population will be over the age of 65, I think. I heard of this projection on television some time ago. Atleast the ratio of age groups will shift to the older end of the spectrum when a population decreases its amount of offspring. It is still a good incentive given the circumstances, though.

[paulgro]

Welcome to dumb laws, Fop...
The Chinese government had to do something and they did. Alot of people don't like how they went about it, but it's better then watching everyone starve.....

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I'm amazed that the overwhelming majority of responses support China's forced one-child policy. Does the ends really justify the means? Then why not support the next step, which would be to terminate the elderly and sick, who are just parasites, using up the limited resources needed by those who truly contribute to society?

Perhaps you are unaware of that women are forced to have abortions and sterilized under China's policy. I heard testimony from a Chinese nurse (on the radio) that helped a woman give birth to her second child, only to have her supervisor take the baby away and literally murder it, over the objections of the nurse. For the good of the country, she was told. The nurse was able to escape to America before they could arrest her for interfering with the State's law.

But let's assume that these are isolated incidents, and not the norm. There still is the fact that Chinese parents are strongly choosing to keep boys over girls. Either they have the sex determined by ultrasound, then aborted if it's female, or leaving the newborn to die if it's a girl (or has a birth defect). Do you still support the policy?

But let's say you see nothing morally wrong with that. There still is the fact that soon, men will outnumber women 5 to 1. There will not be enough wives for the men. Prostitution will become a major black market. Is this creating a better society?

There is still enough food available to feed the world. The problem is distribution, not supply. But that would require China to abandon oppression of its people and enter the World Market, as most of the rest of modern nations. It should be noted that countries such as Japan could not feed its people with only food grown on their own soil. But no one is starving there.

You don't need to murder babies and bump off the elderly for population control. If what you said of China is true, then I disaprove of their methods, but I still think population control is the right way to go for some countries to help prevent future shortages in resources. Sure you can argue that there is enough food in the world to feed everone, but that can easily change if we keep multiplying like rabbits.

[Idnew]

Welcome Fop and Chuck. And to add to this now their cloning. Like their aren't enough people already and everybody is living longer. Yes if this keeps up the food will run out. This having babies every year is crap because some people don't have any sense. That may have been fine back in the day when they didn't know birth control and had 10 or more kids and those kids have kids etc and etc. At least most people in the US stop at 2-3, but China doesn't or didn't do that. Yes I approve of it, not some of their methods if what your saying is true but in control their over population I do.

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[paulgro]

They have one child and the mother is sterilized after......

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[Sephirstein]

Nothing the ****ing PRC ever does is right. Taiwan (home of the Chinese-government-exile) all the way baby.

This is a bit of tricky business here. While I'd agree that forced abortions are wrong. And obviously killing of the sick and elderly is wrong. I would not view the government as wrong for giving incentives to people having only 1 child or less. China has a problem. And India is in the same boat. Now say whatever you want about their government. At least they are taking some action that is for the common good.

Yes, it sucks. I'm glad I don't live under those conditions. I'm willing to fight not to live under those conditions. But the fact remains. The world population increases. Simply feeding the starving isn't the final solution. Nobody wants to watch their neighbor starve. But blindly giving food isn't the answer.

There will probably come a time when all governments will have to regulate human reproduction. Societies and government adapt to things like availability of resources. It isn't pretty. But it is practical and in some cases neccassary.

And say we disagree with how China deals out human rights to its citizens. What do you suggest we do. Through up trade embargoes. That would directly hurt the poeple we mean to help wouldn't. Send troops to force their goverment to act in a manner more appealing to us.

I certainly don't agree will all forms of government or even my own on all accounts. But differen't countries exist for the sole purpose that different groups of people can live in a manner they choose. I'm not saying the people in China neccassarily like or would choose their government. I'm saying what right does any other government have to force change in anothers other then in the pursuit of its own preservation.

Fundamentally the poeple of any certain government are selfish in that regard.

[jettmotto]

i don't know if there are any links here but when i was growing up i remember the chiness,japaness,veatnamess whatever always there was like 8 or 9 kids in thier households i don't know if they were cousins brothers sisters but always a bunch