Formula 1 circuits

[Phreakmeister]

What do you think is the best/most beautiful Formula 1 circuit in history?

[Mary]

Why couldn´t you ask something easier? Like how much time it takes for light to travell from sun to earth and go around earth 8 times and then back to sun? That is much more easier to answer. :smash :p
BTW I do think it is Monza or Monaco. Don´t know yet.

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by Mary
I do think it is Monza or Monaco. Don´t know yet.

You have no taste!
Monaco: Mickey Mouse circuit. A Grand Prix on a karting track.
Monza: Straight-curve-straight-curve-curve-straight-curve-straight-curve. That's Monza in a nutshell.

Suzuka (http://autoracing.cidadeinternet.com.br/formula1/tracks/suzuka/suzuka.jpg) (designed by a Dutchman :wink) is a real circuit. Spa Francorchamps (http://www.remmo-autosport.nl/images/kaart_spa-francorchamps.jpg) (I've walked on that circuit :wink) is a real circuit (especially Eau Rouge (http://www.jacques.villeneuve.com/news/img/2002/Belgique-Italie/eau-rouge-large.jpg)). The old Nürburgring (http://www.motorcycle-nl.net/NURburgring.JPG) (including Nordschleife (http://www.motorcycle-nl.net/nordschleifekart.gif), 21 kms or around 14 miles) was a real circuit. Zandvoort (http://www.remmo-autosport.nl/images/luchtfoto_zandvoort.jpg) is a real circuit.

For those who don't know Eau Rouge: it's an almost full throttle (?) uphill curve taken at around 184 mph (296kph) on entry and around 180 mph (290 kph) on exit.

[Mary]

Trying to make me change my mind? Let me see, when has that happened...nope, can´t remember, but I am quite...okey I stop this sentence, because I don´t want to lie:p :lol
I love Monza because it is short. And Monaco well it´s Monaco one really can´t say anything more.:smash

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by Mary
I love Monza because it is short.

Short attention span, have you? :smash

And Monaco well it´s Monaco one really can´t say anything more.:smash

Come on. Monaco is flying through the living room with a helicopter. :smash

[Mary]

Me short attension span something in F1:eek: Try harder :lol I´ve seen most of GBs in close twenty years:o Yes I did see that GB when Rosberg won Monaco:rolleyes:

[Mary]

This is one of those smart questions, which just pop up...
Why did they end Spa now? Aren´t they going to ban all tobacco-ads in F1 year 2006 anyway? Why couldn´t Spa continue:confused:
Still not my favourite, but it is/was good circuit

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by Mary
This is one of those smart questions, which just pop up...
Why did they end Spa now? Aren´t they going to ban all tobacco-ads in F1 year 2006 anyway? Why couldn´t Spa continue:confused:
Still not my favourite, but it is/was good circuit

All tobacco ads in the EU will be banned from 2006 onwards, but the Belgian government decided to let their tobacco ad ban go into effect on August 1st, 2003. About two to three weeks before the GP would have taken place. If they had let it go into effect on September 1st, Belgium wouldn't have had a problem and they Belgian GP would still be on the calendar.

[Mary]

I meant isn´t FIA going to ban tobacco ads in F1 end of year 2006, not only EU. FIA just is bad word in our family (don´t ask why. I don´t know).So I didn´t use it. Maybe I should have. That is why I will be confused long time. Why end GB when reason is irrelevant in few years:confused: I don´t understand it, does somebody?

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by Mary
I meant isn´t FIA going to ban tobacco ads in F1 end of year 2006, not only EU.

No, the EU will ban tobacco ads. That's why the FIA will gradually leave Europe and head for Bahrain, China, India, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Lebanon and Russia.

[Mary]

I read that from finnish formula site. Haven´t you heard of it? I don´t think I could somehow missunderstand it, because it was finnish and I do know how to read my motherlanguage. Can´t write it, but sure can read it:lol But they can have false information.

[Phreakmeister]

EU adopts tobacco ad ban (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2535071.stm)

The European Union has voted to outlaw tobacco advertising in newspapers and magazines, on the internet and at international sports events. The restrictions - most of which will take effect from 2005 - were approved by health ministers from 13 of the 15 EU nations. "Ministers today hit the tobacco industry where it hurts," Health Commissioner David Byrne said in a statement.
Last month, the European Parliament endorsed the proposal, which complements an existing ban on television advertisements, and standardises bans already in effect in various member states. The ruling was drawn up by the EU's Executive Commission after a court struck down an earlier ban.
The European Court of Justice ruled two years ago that an earlier attempt to restrict tobacco advertising had tended to give Brussels power over health policy, an area reserved for EU member state control. That case was brought by Germany, which diplomats say is also likely to mount a legal challenge to the new measures.
Under the new rules, tobacco companies will also be barred from distributing free tobacco products as a promotion. Certain areas remain unaffected by the new ban - posters, billboards, cinema and so-called indirect advertising, such as cigarette logos on clothing. But the bill does include a ban on the sponsorship of major international sporting events like Formula One racing.
This will come into force a year later than the media ban, in 2006 - the year Formula One organisers had already agreed to voluntarily phase out tobacco advertising.

Opposition

Germany, who voted against the bill, said the proposal went too far, and asked for print media not sold outside the country to be excluded from the ban. Correspondents say the ailing German media market is highly dependent on revenue from tobacco advertising. Advertising revenues have slumped internationally, due to an economic slowdown. Magazines published outside the EU, but distributed inside it, will not be affected by it. Britain was the other country that opposed the bill, saying the measures did not go far enough.
"If there is any gap in the directive, the industry will seek to exploit this," said British Health Secretary Alan Milburn.
In some member states, most of the provisions in the package are already applied.
"In the EU alone, Big Tobacco needs to recruit 500,000 new smokers each year to replace the ones who die prematurely due to smoking-related diseases," said Mr Byrne. "The measures we agreed today will make it more difficult for them to do that."

[Mary]

We are still talking diffrent things. Maybe this clarify something.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/22/fia.tobacco/

[Phreakmeister]

The BBC-article I mentioned talked about that too, Mary:

2006 - the year Formula One organisers had already agreed to voluntarily phase out tobacco advertising.

Your article mentioned the EU-ban too:

Back in 1998 the European Union set a deadline of October 2006 for an end to tobacco sponsorship

In short, the FIA has talked about voluntarily driving tobacco sponsorship out of F1. The imminent EU ban will be binding however. The action of the FIA was in response to the EU ban. It's the EU ban that is driving Formula 1 out of Europe.

[Mary]

But FIA hasn´t make rule of it? That was the thing I wanted to know. That finnish site said FIA has made rule of banning tobacco ads. (I really should learn how to read english:rolleyes: )

[Phreakmeister]

If they did, why would they come with the following actions?

http://www.tobacco.org/news/107478.html
http://www.tobacco.org/news/111567.html
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns07484.html
http://www.veronica.nl/modules.php?name=f1_news&site=f1nieuws&sid=49312 (Dutch site, the title says FIA threatens to continue tobacco ads, which says enough.

The GPs in the EU are Belgium (which has already been cancelled), Austria (which will host its last GP this year), France, Great Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany and Europe. Once Hungary has joined the EU, they too will be faced by this ban. All of these races are under threat. Also the European countries that want to bring back Formula 1 to their territories (Portugal, The Netherlands, Sweden) will be hurt with this ban.
As I said before, Formula 1 will probably leave Europe and head off to India, China (Shanghai), Russia (Nagatino), Sri Lanka, Turkey (Istanbul), Lebanon (Beirut), Bahrain, Indonesia (Sentul), Egypt (Cairo), South Africa (Kyalami), Mexico, etcetera.

[Mary]

So they made promise and then but 2 and 2 togehter and relaise they would lost too much money and forgot promise. Finns really shouldn´t belive everything:wink :rolleyes:

[Phreakmeister]

The EU came with a directive, the FIA then came with their own initiative, they then cancelled their initiative and the EU directive became a regulation. Or something like that.

It seems that renewal fever has struck in Formula 1. Imola was first, after that pitch black weekend in 1994. Monza followed a few years ago. Hockenheim and Nürburgring came last year. This year Suzuka, Hungaroring and Magny Cours will be "re-laid". In the future, Silverstone will completely change its circuit, Sepang will probably be changed, Interlagos may be changed, Monaco will face a restyling it has never seen before. More circuit changes are imminent, especially as he European circuits are faced with the possibility of losing their GPs to Asian circuits.