Why Bush should loose the election [Archive] - TD Talk(Formally Dumb Laws)

DEAD ZONE

July 15th, 2003, 07:45 AM

"George Bush has broken a Clinton record, though not one to be proud of. The Federal Register – the publication that lists all proposed and enacted federal regulations – increased to 75,606 pages in 2002. That breaks the previous record set by Bill Clinton in 2000.

You need to know that these federal regulations cost businesses (and, ultimately, the consumers) in America more than all business income taxes combined.

During 2002 Congress passed 269 new laws. During the same year regulatory agencies passed 4,167 final rules. Not one of these rules was then subjected to congressional oversight.

Some more things to think about when considering Bush’s record in the White House.

Federal government spending under Bush has increased at a rate faster than of any year during the Clintonista era.

George Bush has yet to veto one single spending bill.

George Bush has teamed up with congressional Democrats to pass massive spending increases in education, agriculture and other areas.

George Bush has been in office for almost three years, and has yet to recommend the elimination of one single government-spending program.

And you wonder why I vote libertarian? "
Boortz.

He naild it. Bush should loose the next election because he is
fiscally irresponsible and leading us to bankrupt status.

http://www.boortz.com/Mallard_Fillmore.gif

Ateo

July 19th, 2003, 05:42 AM

Yeah, well, the record-breaking deficit is kind of a problem, too.

And the economy.

Oh, did I mention the crappy unecessary war he got us into?

He kind of makes a lot of embarassing "mis-statements" ... :confused

I hate to be a bringer of bad news, but Bush is also one of those extremist right-wing guys who wants to pack the judiciary with Christian fundamentalists. That's not good.

He's real secretive. The people around him are real secretive.

He has a lot of "handlers" and "political engineers". So when things really go wrong it's hard to figure out where the real problem originated. It's like a riddle inside a mystery inside an enigma.

He has several individuals who were convicted of crimes working for him. That can't help.

His buddies are all rich. He doesn't really do stuff for regular, salt of the earth people who are the backbone of America. But somehow (this is probably where the money comes into play) his PR machine is able to fool a lot of those people into believing that Bush = standing up for regular people who don't contribute thousands of dollars to the Republican party.

I'd go on but I'm spent...

w1che

July 19th, 2003, 12:05 PM

That's all bullcrap.. You have got to put a little thinking behind what you read.. You want to see people living in a dream world read the libertarian party platform with a google search..

Who do you think set up all these groups that can make law without any oversight... Does Demorats ring a bell???

Ateo

July 19th, 2003, 05:52 PM

I'm not saying the Dems are the answer, Wunch. I'm just saying Bush is extraordinarily bad. I'd vote for a Republican for pres if he was intelligent, compassionate, open-minded & wasn't an extremist.

BeetleJuice

July 19th, 2003, 07:33 PM

Lets face it. Politians from BOTH parties are in it for themselves these days.
Corporations line their pockets to get favorable laws passed for them. It ain't for the people anymore, its for whoevr can give them the most money.
Politics is a Rich Mans game today. I kinda think if they were to do away with campaign contrabutions altogether where more 'ordinary' people could get into the arena there might be a change for the better.
Sure. We all have our own ideas of what should and shouldn't be but at least we'd be arguing it and hammering it out ourselves instead of having some corporate conglomerates lobbying group pushing us in the direction THEY want.

Phreakmeister

July 19th, 2003, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by tigsnort
I'd vote for a Republican for pres if he was intelligent, compassionate, open-minded & wasn't an extremist.

Does McCain fit your description? (in my view he does)

Ateo

July 19th, 2003, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Phreakmeister

Does McCain fit your description? (in my view he does)

Absolutely. As I've said before here & elsewhere, I would have voted for McCain had he ran against Gore. I guess that's what set me off against Bush & the current GOP--they have an extremist agenda, and McCain just wasn't extreme enough. They sacrificed what probably would have been a great president, in order to install their little fundamentalist puppet. And look where we are.

AWPrime

July 20th, 2003, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by BeetleJuice
Politics is a Rich Mans game today. I kinda think if they were to do away with campaign contrabutions altogether where more 'ordinary' people could get into the arena there might be a change for the better.

How about a law banning rich people from politics?

DEAD ZONE

July 21st, 2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by tigsnort
Yeah, well, the record-breaking deficit is kind of a problem, too.

And the economy.

Oh, did I mention the crappy unecessary war he got us into?

He kind of makes a lot of embarassing "mis-statements" ... :confused

I hate to be a bringer of bad news, but Bush is also one of those extremist right-wing guys who wants to pack the judiciary with Christian fundamentalists. That's not good.

He's real secretive. The people around him are real secretive.

He has a lot of "handlers" and "political engineers". So when things really go wrong it's hard to figure out where the real problem originated. It's like a riddle inside a mystery inside an enigma.

He has several individuals who were convicted of crimes working for him. That can't help.

His buddies are all rich. He doesn't really do stuff for regular, salt of the earth people who are the backbone of America. But somehow (this is probably where the money comes into play) his PR machine is able to fool a lot of those people into believing that Bush = standing up for regular people who don't contribute thousands of dollars to the Republican party.

I'd go on but I'm spent... Talk about extreamist. You fit the bill better than bush.

Forget to take your meds ther tig.

DEAD ZONE

July 21st, 2003, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by tigsnort
I'm not saying the Dems are the answer, Wunch. I'm just saying Bush is extraordinarily bad. I'd vote for a Republican for pres if he was intelligent, compassionate, open-minded & wasn't an extremist. In other words,a left wing extreamist democrat.

Or ralph nader who is even worse.

DEAD ZONE

July 21st, 2003, 09:16 PM

Back on subject;

"Here are some figures from John Fund’s column in today’s Wall Street Journal. Fund reports that in thre first two Bush budget years federal spending has increased by an inflation-adjusted 5.3% per year. How does that compare with other administrations?

Carter
4.2%

Reagan, first term
3.5%

Reagan, second term
1.8%

George Bush
1.9%

Clinton, first term
1.0%

Clinton, sencond term
1.9%

George W. Bush (first two years)
5.3%

Now HERE is a good reason to be showing discontent with the Bush Administration. "
Boortz.

Bushy thinks the stuff grows on trees.I disagree with Boortz here. How about plane dog MAD!!!!:mad

Discontent my @ss

DEAD ZONE

July 21st, 2003, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by BeetleJuice
Lets face it. Politians from BOTH parties are in it for themselves these days.
Corporations line their pockets to get favorable laws passed for them. It ain't for the people anymore, its for whoevr can give them the most money.
Politics is a Rich Mans game today. I kinda think if they were to do away with campaign contrabutions altogether where more 'ordinary' people could get into the arena there might be a change for the better.
Sure. We all have our own ideas of what should and shouldn't be but at least we'd be arguing it and hammering it out ourselves instead of having some corporate conglomerates lobbying group pushing us in the direction THEY want.

Me thinks you may be a little off.
"The Associated Press headline seemed like a candidate for "You Don't Say" treatment: "Campaign Donations Sway Lawmakers' Vote." But wait. Let's take a closer look at what the AP is claiming:
The Associated Press looked at six measures in the House--medical malpractice, class action lawsuits, overhauling bankruptcy laws, the energy bill, gun manufacturer lawsuits and overtime pay--and compared lawmakers' votes with the financial backing they received from interest groups supporting or opposing the legislation. . . .

The AP and the center have established a correlation between campaign donations and votes, but they have not proved, or even provided any evidence for, a cause-and-effect relationship. Indeed, common sense leads us to think the influence of campaign money on lawmakers' votes is minimal. Would even a pol as mercenary as Sen. Hillary Clinton (to take an example at random) change her position on, say, gun rights if the National Rifle Association decided to give her beaucoup bucks? It seems unlikely.

It's much more plausible to think that interest-group money follows the votes--as the groups try to keep lawmakers who agree with them in office--rather than the other way around."

Its the vote that keeps them there.The people vote,not the money,unless the people sale themselves cheap.

AWPrime

July 22nd, 2003, 06:47 AM

Any idiot can be elected if he has enough money.

And people with lots of money always try to get their dolls in power.

one example: ENRON

DEAD ZONE

July 22nd, 2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by AWPrime
Any idiot can be elected if he has enough money.

And people with lots of money always try to get their dolls in power.

one example: ENRON Forbes had more and spent more money than the others when he ran. He never even got the nomination.

So much for your theory.
:rolleyes:

AWPrime

July 22nd, 2003, 10:11 AM

Was Forbes an idiot?

Thra, Maderic

July 22nd, 2003, 12:16 PM

Bush is the best President we have had....since his father...You know it...I know it...and there is nothing that is going to change that.... He will not lose the election...one of your Communist friends isn't going to be President......and I promise you that...

Maderic......

kontulib

July 22nd, 2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Tigsnort should be shot....

I´m not going to say who should be shot, because propably mods ban me if I do it...:rolleyes:

Thra, Maderic

July 22nd, 2003, 12:25 PM

Go away, Serendip.....

Maderic.....

kontulib

July 22nd, 2003, 12:33 PM

Why are you here again Maderic???

You have said hundreds of times at DL forums sucks and you hate this site, but always you come back.

STAY AWAY!!!
:smash :mad

AWPrime

July 22nd, 2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Bush is the best President we have had....since his father...You know...I know it...and there is nothing that is going to change that.... He will not lose the election...one of your Communist friends isn't going to be President......and I promise you that...

Maderic......

Is your last name Bush by any chance?

DEAD ZONE

July 22nd, 2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by AWPrime
Was Forbes an idiot? All politicians are.Anyone spendding that kind of money to take that kind of abuse {and his family} is an idiot extrodinare.

Ateo

July 23rd, 2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Tigsnort should be shot....
Wow, he actually said it publicly, and not just in the private message he sent me?

It's public record now. If I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. :)

Phreakmeister

July 23rd, 2003, 07:55 PM

:lol :lol :lol

First it was me, now it's you. Who will be next?

DEAD ZONE

July 23rd, 2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by tigsnort

Wow, he actually said it publicly, and not just in the private message he sent me?

It's public record now. If I suddenly stop posting, you'll know why. :)

Want to barrow a weapon?
:lol

I can teach you for a small fee you unprotected little fawn you.:wink

sinecure

July 24th, 2003, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by DEAD ZONE

Want to barrow a weapon?
:lol

I can teach you for a small fee you unprotected little fawn you.:wink

Nahhh... Tig's gonna dial "911" and the nice policeman [with a gun] will protect him!

I tried to tell him years ago that police are great at putting chalk outlines around bodies... real bad at prevention. :wink

Ateo

July 24th, 2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by DEAD ZONE

Want to barrow a weapon?
:lol

I can teach you for a small fee you unprotected little fawn you.:wink
Fee? Why not just do it out of the goodness of your heart? Typical conservative... :wink

DEAD ZONE

July 24th, 2003, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by tigsnort

Fee? Why not just do it out of the goodness of your heart? Typical conservative... :wink Why not just ignore my bad choices and give it to me free. Typical leftist.Bad ideas have a price in life as do bad policy.

p.s. I am no conservative.Just look at the legalize drugs thread.

AWPrime

July 24th, 2003, 09:33 AM

Your Center and a little bit to the right?

May I test some of my toys on Maderic if he comes to your door Tigsnort?

Thra, Maderic

July 24th, 2003, 09:46 AM

Won't help you guys much...I'm gonna be a State Police Officer for Michigan, and my older half-brother (SOCOM) is in the Military....

I'd just pull you over on the road, smash your tail light....cuff your sorry *** and drag to you prison......

Or...

If I came to Tig's house...I'd get a warrent..... Break down the door with a dozen SWAT members behind me.... Anyone holding a weapon would be shot...

Just how it operates.....
Thra, Maderic.......

kontulib

July 24th, 2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Won't help you guys much...I'm a State Police Officer for Michigan, and my older half-brother (SOCOM) is in the Military....

And I´m Sultan of Brunei. Are you little bit megalomanic or something...?

I'd just pull you over on the road, smash your tail light....cuff your sorry *** and drag to you prison......

Oh, I like S/M...please cuff me.

Or...

If I came to Tig's house...I'd get a warrent..... Break down the door with a dozen SWAT members behind me.... Anyone holding a weapon would be shot...

Just how it operates.....
Thra, Maderic.......

Maderic. If you REALLY are police, that proofs to me at USA have big problems, because they have nutcases like you in police forces :smash

AWPrime

July 24th, 2003, 11:24 AM

Who said anything about holding a weapon?

http://www.classicbattletech.com/TimberWolfThumb.jpg

King Solomon

July 24th, 2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Won't help you guys much...I'm a State Police Officer for Michigan, and my older half-brother (SOCOM) is in the Military....

I'd just pull you over on the road, smash your tail light....cuff your sorry *** and drag to you prison......

Or...

If I came to Tig's house...I'd get a warrent..... Break down the door with a dozen SWAT members behind me.... Anyone holding a weapon would be shot...

Just how it operates.....
Thra, Maderic.......

You'll be happy to know that I have sent this information, along with many previous posts you have made saying who you are, to the State of Michigan's Attorney General. It is a "Felony" to impersonate Law Enforcement Personel in any state.

If you are, in fact, a Michigan State Police Officer as you say here then I am sure the Office of Internal Affairs would like to have a very frank discussion with you about your professional attitude in public.

Your statement about SOCOM being your half brother would also explain why you both had the same IP address, he was using your computer.

K-Sol

AWPrime

July 24th, 2003, 03:52 PM

Why would 2 (I presume) full grow men be using the same computer?

Gay lovers?

or

Still be living with their parents?

or

They don't have a job?

or

They are the same person.

Phreakmeister

July 24th, 2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
I'm a State Police Officer for Michigan

In another thread you called yourself "an American intelligence professional." How on earth can a Michigan State Police Officer be an intelligence professional??????

Thra, Maderic

July 24th, 2003, 09:36 PM

Why would I lie, K-Sol? Then again, I've lied in the past...so how can you really believe anything I've ever said....? Hmm....interesting perdicament...

But I digress....I do believe my 10 post limit I said I was going to do is up or almost is up...then I leave....I think...

EDIT: Take a look at my original post on here....I should included that little tid-bit....
Maderic.....

sinecure

July 24th, 2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Phreakmeister

In another thread you called yourself "an American intelligence professional." How on earth can a Michigan State Police Officer be an intelligence professional??????

The man obviously wears many hats, Phreak.

I'm especially fond of the pointed one... it fits his head so well! :smash

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[He won't pass the psych test for the MSP even THEY have standards! :p ]

King Solomon

July 24th, 2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Won't help you guys much...I'm gonna be a State Police Officer for Michigan...

The edit would have helped you if it had been done before I sent a copy to the Michigan State Attorney General Mike Cox and to the Michigan State Police Director Col. Tadarial J. Sturdivant.

If you were planning on being a State Trooper you may now want to plan something else and you may still want to look out the drapes before answering the door. :o :smash

Maybe you should think BEFORE you post in the future :wave :lol

BeetleJuice

July 25th, 2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Thra, Maderic
Won't help you guys much...I'm gonna be a State Police Officer for Michigan, and my older half-brother (SOCOM) is in the Military....

I'd just pull you over on the road, smash your tail light....cuff your sorry *** and drag to you prison......

Or...

If I came to Tig's house...I'd get a warrent..... Break down the door with a dozen SWAT members behind me.... Anyone holding a weapon would be shot...

Just how it operates.....
Thra, Maderic.......

Oooooohhhhhh can I play with the itty bitty Troll???

Pwease? Pwetty PWEASE?

BeetleJuice

July 25th, 2003, 02:29 AM

King Solomon

July 25th, 2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by BeetleJuice
Oooooohhhhhh can I play with the itty bitty Troll???

Pwease? Pwetty PWEASE?

NO!

AWPrime

July 25th, 2003, 01:36 PM

Can we get back to the subject now and leave the Mad(eric) behind us?

King Solomon

July 25th, 2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by AWPrime
Can we get back to the subject now and leave the Mad(eric) behind us?

Who??? Oh, yea, Bush election poly ticks, sure go ahead. Just play nice OK?

Phreakmeister

July 25th, 2003, 02:44 PM

The members of DL consider the matter closed and want to move on...

(Now where have I heard that before.... :rolleyes: )

DEAD ZONE

July 25th, 2003, 06:04 PM

One more time;
The first two Bush budget years.Federal spending has increased by an inflation-adjusted 5.3% per year. How does that compare with other administrations?

Carter

4.2%

Reagan, first term

3.5%

Reagan, second term

1.8%

George Bush

1.9%

Clinton, first term

1.0%

Clinton, sencond term

1.9%

George W. Bush (first two years)

5.3%

Add to that his bizarr fetish to remain loyal to incompetants and people that screw up under him and he should not be left in office.

AWPrime

July 26th, 2003, 07:19 AM

:eek: He is worse than Reagan!!???

Now that is bad!

Atleast Reagan has the excuse of having alzheimer while he was in office.

DEAD ZONE

July 26th, 2003, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by AWPrime
:eek: He is worse than Reagan!!???

Now that is bad!

Atleast Reagan has the excuse of having alzheimer while he was in office. And a democratic congress .That is where the perse strigs actually are.The press has only veto power .he cant budgit crap.

The repubs have no more excuses now.Lets see them use that liberal tax and spend line this election:lol