McDonald in America and France about wine

[MacReady]

In France, you can order wine with meal but in America you cant, why? French ppl have better heart cuz wine thinning blood cells as cleaning out fats. It makes sense cuz McDonald meals are fatty and not healthy unless you order salad. I wonder if it illegal for McDonald to serve wine? Other restaurants in America do serve wine but not fast food restaurants. Also I notice many states in America trying to stop alcohol around but in California, liquidor stores are always open 24hrs like Mexico. In Oregon or Washington, Liquidor stores close around 6 or 7pm. It just strange, so I thought if it has do anything with law or just people in that area just like to repel alcohol cuz they dont like it?

Originally posted by MacReady:
French ppl have better heart cuz wine thinning blood cells as cleaning out fats.

Doen't France have a higher rate of cirrhosis? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Fop:
Doen't France have a higher rate of cirrhosis? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Lol maybe, I dont know if wine is a big risk of getting cirrhosis. Cirrhosis is 8th highest rank of death in America and America mostly drink beer or hard liquidors than wine maybe except in San Fransico. What is percentage of cirrhosis in France compare to America?

Originally posted by MacReady:
Lol maybe, I dont know if wine is a big risk of getting cirrhosis. Cirrhosis is 8th highest rank of death in America and America mostly drink beer or hard liquidors than wine maybe except in San Fransico. What is percentage of cirrhosis in France compare to America?

I was only kidding. I don't know.

[TV_Guy]

France has an entirely different attitude to alchohol. I think the following are true:

Can by booze from the age of 16.
Can drink it at any age.
Plus children a brought up having a glass of wine with there meal. They have a much more mature attitude to alchohol.

In contrast New Zealand has the heaviest drinkers in the world closely followed by the Australians. We have recently lowered the drinking age to 18. Here it is part of the culture to drink as much as you can. A minimum of a Dozen is usually a fairly typical night.

P.s. It's a fair bet I could drink you ppl under the table. I have had years of practise. God Bless New Zealand http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[Idnew]

You can drink wine with your meal in America. Depends on the restaraunt you go to. If they serve it, you can order it. I'm not a wine drinker much so I usually order something a touch more stronger.

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[Serendipity]

Hi TV Guy, I've had many boozy nights with my Kiwi mates and you're right, it is an important part of NZ culture (Rugby is a religion there, though. Hm. Not famous for its intellectuals... http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif). It's much the same here in UKLand as well. Stuff these bloody poncy continentals with their mature attitude to drink! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[MacReady]

I wonder if restaurants require to have license to serve alcohol in America?

[TV_Guy]

**** sure they would have to Mac.
They would need some certificate for sure.

Are you saying I'm not inter.. intelect.. lectuarint.. smart!

Originally posted by TV_Guy:
France has an entirely different attitude to alchohol. I think the following are true:

Can by booze from the age of 16.
Can drink it at any age.
Plus children a brought up having a glass of wine with there meal. They have a much more mature attitude to alchohol.

In contrast New Zealand has the heaviest drinkers in the world closely followed by the Australians. We have recently lowered the drinking age to 18. Here it is part of the culture to drink as much as you can. A minimum of a Dozen is usually a fairly typical night.

P.s. It's a fair bet I could drink you ppl under the table. I have had years of practise. God Bless New Zealand http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Hey dont forget Quebec for the best drinker. Here a dozen it's a small night and i'm not kidding. We start to drink at age of 14 and we dont stop. I know Nz and Uk (ireland) there a big drinker but we cannot put the USA in the same place. For they a strong beer it's around 4% of alchool In Quebec a strong beer it's around 8 or 9% of alchool. USA he have just to good place for alchool : California for 24h open beer store and Las Vegas cuz you can drink on the street

[MacReady]

I found this thread somehow relate to my thread, www.dumblaws.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000047.html (http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000047.html)

I see about Cali legal ppl drink on streets that why liquidor stores open 24 hrs, that make sense. Some states are luckier than most, and mostly eastern states laws on alcohol really sucks. thanks, I learn something new.

[ogb]

Originally posted by Serendipity:
I've had many boozy nights with my Kiwi mates and you're right, it is an important part of NZ culture


Yes, on our final class trip we went to London with an exchange chick from NZ - she drank us all under the table.

To get it back to McDonalds: in Germany you can't buy wine, but beer there. Generally I prefer beer to harder alcohol, but the McD-beer is awful.

[DV8]

Why... of course wine cannot be served with fast foods. It'll ruin the perfectly seasoned and flavoured fast food. but coke was designed to be served in unison of fast foods.

Seriously...
If you were to drink wine, would you honestly go toMccy D's... knowing full well u will 1) not get what you paid for 2) The wine would prolly be faked by some new cheaper more hazzardous chemical. A catalyst maybe to speed up the fermenting period which in time will discentigrate your stomach lining resulting death due to cancer. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

Also if the Americans claim Wine Drinking as a customed 'thing' that they do and Mccy D's think they'd make profit on behalf of selling wine, surely tis not illegal!

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[amr]

McDonald's and other fast-food places don't sell alcohol in America for purely business reasons:

1) All American establishments that sell alcohol must have a liquor licence from whatever municipality in which they reside. This goes for stores, bars, and eateries.

2) The rules and cost of liquor licences vary by state and municipality. That is, different counties and cities can have different rules. Because local laws are drafted and enforced based upon popular vote, some areas are very strict (such as "dry counties" in the Bible Belt) and some are very lenient, depending on what the people who live there want.

3) Since most fast-food meals are either eaten on the road or by people who will soon be driving, the restaurant would probably be liable for massive lawsuits related to drunk-driving. Look how bad McD's got burned with the hot coffee lawsuit! (pardon the pun) "I'll have the Big Mac value meal with Miller Genuine Draft. Could I get that super-sized?" http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Therefore, it's far easier and cheaper for a national fast-food franchise to avoid the whole alcohol issue.

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[Idnew]

Ok I missed something when I read your first post. You were talking about fast food. Well those have a lot of children in them and I wouldn't want some lush sitting there getting wasted and that would probably happen if fast foods served alcohol of any kind. Besides the liquer license is very high and then you'd have to hire bouncers.

amr is right in that explanation she gave I think

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[MacReady]

Yeah those reasons has to do with America but why France, German, or many other countries dont?

There are probably several organizations in the U.S. that would probably take offense and encourage boycotting. McDonalds is making a good profit in the U.S. as it is. No need to rock the boat.

ps Am I the only one who thinks their hamburger paddies have no taste? Wendy's serves up much better burgers imo.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Fop:
There are probably several organizations in the U.S. that would probably take offense and encourage boycotting. McDonalds is making a good profit in the U.S. as it is. No need to rock the boat.

ps Am I the only one who thinks their hamburger paddies have no taste? Wendy's serves up much better burgers imo.

Ah "offensive", ok I understand now. Ok I will stop rocking the boat for now lol

I like Wendy's fries better tho.

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[TV_Guy]

Hmm wendy's here, doesn't do burgers. Hell we only got burger king's a few years ago. In european country's McD's wouldn't have to worry about lawsuits so much. I mean probably half of US lawsuits would be thrown out in any other country! The one's that really crack me up is when someone is comiiting a crime and then get's hurt and sues. Now judges in NZ would probably just have a laugh then turf the crim in jail.

I still think it comes to different attitudes to alcohol in different countries.

Wont happen here.

Re Quebec Beer: Yeah our standard beers are 4.5%, strong beers are usually imports at about 8%-9% and light beers 2%. I've heard that most US beers are 2%, is that true? If so it must be hard to get trashed on them.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by TV_Guy:
Hmm wendy's here, doesn't do burgers. Hell we only got burger king's a few years ago. In european country's McD's wouldn't have to worry about lawsuits so much. I mean probably half of US lawsuits would be thrown out in any other country! The one's that really crack me up is when someone is comiiting a crime and then get's hurt and sues. Now judges in NZ would probably just have a laugh then turf the crim in jail.

I still think it comes to different attitudes to alcohol in different countries.

Wont happen here.

Re Quebec Beer: Yeah our standard beers are 4.5%, strong beers are usually imports at about 8%-9% and light beers 2%. I've heard that most US beers are 2%, is that true? If so it must be hard to get trashed on them.

Indeed...

[TV_Guy]

Really...

[thud]

Yay, another Kiwi! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif I'm actually a student studying French and German at Vic uni, and I have to say, that McDs are incredibly unpopular in France, so it's probably a desperate attempt to cram some French culture into an American set-up. I love the French! They've been known to pelt McD's with apples because the franchisees were not using French apples in their cooking! And we're talking a LOT of apples here. Any excuse to stand up for French nationalism and the French language against the onslaught of American culture and the English language. Also, any excuse to get trashed on a traffic island in the name of all garden gnomes, lol.

[ogb]

Originally posted by thud:
I have to say, that McDs are incredibly unpopular in France. I love the French! They've been known to pelt McD's with apples because the franchisees were not using French apples in their cooking!

That's not really true. I mean, there are less McD's in France then elsewhere, but the only McD in the whole wide world that succeeded in going bankruptcy was in Germany in the part of the former GDR.
Besides that I don't know why McD uses apples, I think it's rather primitive and foolish to express your anger like that. But what can you expect of a nation that's on strike about every second day...

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[thud]

I got that off French television, so it is true. If you have to know, McDs are reviled because they're an American influence on French culture. Just like Nationalism is big in America, it's also big in France. Ok, so I'm just repeating myself. Go fish http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif Financially they might do ok, but they're regarded as kind of a pimple on the face of the food industry. You have to have heard the argument that American culture is permeating English societies all over the world, well this is just an instance where this has happened in a French society and because there is strong patriotism in France people have responded. In my opinion, that's better than being a passive bystander, even if it was wasteful (the apples). Sorry, I probably made no sense, but that's just my warped understanding of the situation. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gifPersonally, I don't have a problem with American culture permeating the society in which I live (New Zealand) but I have the irrational and weird idea that we need to preserve our English spellings - I know, that probably seems like the most obscure idea, but I feel strongly about it. That said, I actually can sympathise with the French. Now that I come to think about it, all this is completely irrelevant http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[thud]

Are you actually American? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ogb]

Originally posted by ~wildangel~:
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[TV_Guy]

Go thud! It's Colour not Color!
Hmm actually they both look kinda funny...

I'm student in Otago by the way, Cantab at heart though.

[Sephirstein]

As far as I'm concerned, any place selling food and/or drink should have the right to sell alcoholic beverages provided that they follow the rules for doing so. It's called COMMON SENSE...And as anyone with even the slighest leaning towards libertarianism would suggest, most politicians and civil servants lack it.

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[BeetleJuice]

OK. Part of the reason wines are consumed with meals in France and several other European countries is due to the bad water supply. They have very little potable water, therefore they substitute wines. Back in prehistory, when I was taking french, my teacher was from Belgium, and she explained some of the differences in our cultures. Part of the reason alchohol is abused as much as it is in the states (IMO) is due to all of the goody2shoes that try to dictate society mores for our own good.
We keep all alchoholic drinks away from our childern because the "Law" says its bad for them AND everyone has had the "evils" of drink drummed in our heads. The funny thing about it is, there is NOWHERE in the Bible that states that alchohol is evil, just the ABUSE of said is, yet these zealots have twisted things to the point that they get their way and now we are the worse off for it.
Think about this the next time someone screams "Ban this" or "Censor that" What are the reasons for the screams. Take the Harry Potter book controversy going on now. Its a very vocal minority that is yelling for the banning of this set of books, taking it into THEIR hands to decide whats best for you, me, aand our children. Not giving us credit to make up our own minds they have to do it for us.
Anyway, what started as an informative post has turned into a rant so I guess I better shut up now. Seeyuh!

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[Serendipity]

Hm. I've never noticed any problem with the water on my frequent visits to France. I don't mind drinking wine with a meal in any case http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif. And French wine is very good. So is American wine, and plenty of other New World stuff too. Love it! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif I gather that bottled drinking water is popular among a certain crowd in the US? I have it on good authority that the best quality drinking water you can get in America, including bottled mineral water, is New York tap water.

[aclu14]

Wine is good in small amounts, but I absolutely HATE schnapps! Especially wilderberry, the smell almost made me puke!

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