Sir Al Gore - NOT!

[jstnomega]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3357073.stm

Web's inventor gets a knighthood - & his name aint Al.

[Ateo]

Where again did Al Gore ever say he was the inventor of the internet?

[RosieWolf]

EXCERPTS FROM AL GORE ON CNN (http://www.sethf.com/gore/)

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

clear enuff for ya tig? LOL
HAPPPPPPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!

[jstnomega]

TY Rosie! Now I don't gotta do the search. I owe you one. Plz put it on my tab.

[RosieWolf]

Originally posted by jstnomega
TY Rosie! Now I don't gotta do the search. I owe you one. Plz put it on my tab.

ur tabbed.. laffin

HNY!!!! hugggggglez

[Ateo]

:rolleyes: can't believe I'm wasting my time with this

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm
Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999....

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. Al Gore might not know nearly as much about the Internet and other technologies as his image would have us believe, and he certainly has been guilty of stretching (if not outright breaking) the truth before, but to believe that Gore seriously thought he could take credit for the "invention" of the Internet — in the sense offered by the media — is just silly. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean the same thing: If they mean the same thing, then why have the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet when he never used that word? The answer is that the words don't mean the same thing, but by substituting one word for the other, commentators can make Gore's claim sound [more] ridiculous.)

[sinecure]

Uhhhh.... OK... Tig...

So, AlGore said he "created" the internet.


...and on the seventh day, he rested?




:lol :lol :lol :clap :clap :wave :p

[RosieWolf]

cre·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-t)
tr.v. cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, cre·ates

1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See Synonyms at found1.
2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.
3. To invest with an office or title; appoint.
4. To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role.

in·vent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vnt)
tr.v. in·vent·ed, in·vent·ing, in·vents

1. To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination.
2. To make up; fabricate: invent a likely excuse.

[Ateo]

From self-righteous outrage at Clinton's "is is", to this?

Havin' fun kids? :)

[sinecure]

Yup... from Clinton's "'is' is" to your quoted snopes quibbling over "invented" vs. "created"... all the way to your apparent refusal to recognize that a purposely mis-stated material fact in answer to a question while under oath is a Really Bad Thing that we call "perjury."

Not self-righteous, not even "outrage"... but simply pointing out that those kinds of games just seem to be in the nature of the Democratic/liberal beast, I guess.

:question :wink

[DustyBottoms]

Watching Al chop wood for his photo-op summed it up for me. He obviously didn't invent the axe! :lol :lol :lol

[sinecure]

He wasn't much for gun safety, either.... It's a wonder he made it back!

[RubberDucky]

i would just like to point out, using the definition that rosie so thankfully provided...

cre·ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-t)
tr.v. cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, cre·ates

1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See Synonyms at found1.
2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.
3. To invest with an office or title; appoint.
4. To produce through artistic or imaginative effort: create a poem; create a role.

this definition obviously fits into what gore did. his work within congress helped give rise to the Internet.


and i'd like to ask you critics out there if you have never made a mistake in word choice in your whole life? thank you to all you over critical people who seem to think there are infalible people in this world (and often that you are one of them..)
--Ducky

[RubberDucky]

oh yeah.. one other thing.. this is specifically addressed to jstnomega.

the Internet and the world wide web are two seperate things. the Internet includes such protocols as FTP, Gopher, etc. the world wide web is simply one of these protocols (one of the later ones i might add......) the world wide web simply is used more often because of its capabilities to display pictures and text quickly. hence the reason web pages have the "www." prefix.

therefore to compare al gore with this person would be like comparing the inventor of a computer to the inventor of tennis to the inventor of a specific type of tennis racquet. it doesn't work!

thank you
--me

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by tigsnort
From self-righteous outrage at Clinton's "is is", to this?

Havin' fun kids? :) With all due respect to snopes{who are usually very good and reliable} ,he did say it. What he meant and how he calrified it are latter happenings. He did say it. One of those slips that Bush is called an idiot for.

[jstnomega]

Originally posted by tigsnort

From self-righteous outrage at Clinton's "is is", to this?

NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, that was about the smartest thing he ever said & completely legitimate.

Just ask any Jesuit Priest or trial attorney!

[jstnomega]

Originally posted by RubberDucky
oh yeah.. one other thing.. this is specifically addressed to jstnomega.

the Internet and the world wide web are two seperate things. the Internet includes such protocols as FTP, Gopher, etc. the world wide web is simply one of these protocols (one of the later ones i might add......) the world wide web simply is used more often because of its capabilities to display pictures and text quickly. hence the reason web pages have the "www." prefix.

therefore to compare al gore with this person would be like comparing the inventor of a computer to the inventor of tennis to the inventor of a specific type of tennis racquet. it doesn't work!

thank you
--me

In his own words, those of Sir Tim Berners-Lee, pulled fr the BBC link:

"The original idea of the web was that it should be a collaborative space where you can communicate through sharing information.

"The idea was that by writing something together, and as people worked on it, they could iron out misunderstanding."

Sir Tim said the honour was an acknowledgement that the net was becoming globally powerful, and not just a "passing trend".

"There was a time when people felt the internet was another world, but now people realise it's a tool that we use in this world."

Note that he uses the terms 'the web' & 'the internet' w/o distinction, as even to him, they are one & the same.

[w1che]

In real time & place they are the same JST but please remember your talking to a RubberDuck.. That has to be worrisome to ya.. :lol :wink

[sinecure]

Originally posted by jstnomega

Note that he uses the terms 'the web' & 'the internet' w/o distinction, as even to him, they are one & the same.

You would take the word of this scoundrel who would usurp AlGore's rightful claim as the inventor [OK, "creator"] of the internet?

You must be one of those quarrelsome right-wing types who focusses narrowly on what actually happened rather than the intent, ... as determined by an after-the-fact examination of the results.

Shame!...:o


:lol :lol :lol :lol

[RubberDucky]

Originally posted by jstnomega


In his own words, those of Sir Tim Berners-Lee, pulled fr the BBC link:

"The original idea of the web was that it should be a collaborative space where you can communicate through sharing information.

"The idea was that by writing something together, and as people worked on it, they could iron out misunderstanding."

Sir Tim said the honour was an acknowledgement that the net was becoming globally powerful, and not just a "passing trend".

"There was a time when people felt the internet was another world, but now people realise it's a tool that we use in this world."

Note that he uses the terms 'the web' & 'the internet' w/o distinction, as even to him, they are one & the same.

okay so you're defending your statement.. right..

If you deny the fact that the Internet is composed of the World Wide Web, Gopher, and FTP then you are simply stupid.

so to prove my point, once again, i'll go into more detail.
~Gopher was designed by the University of Wisconsin as a means by which scholarly information could be uploaded and downloaded from various sources. addresses are listed as gopher://gopher[etc.]
~FTP (File Transfer Protocol) was created to provide a means for people to download files of different types (*.zip, *.exe, etc.) Its addresses are always listed as ftp://ftp[etc.]
~WWW (The World Wide Web) was created (as Sir Tim kindly puts it) as "a collaborative space where you can communicate through sharing information." Essentially, a form of the Internet where people can actively participate in conversation, via elements such as message boards, e-mail, etc. Its addresses are always listed as http://www[etc.]

Each of these components makes up part of the Internet. Sir Tim is correct in saying the Internet is becoming globally powerful.. THE WHOLE INTERNET NOT JUST THE WORLD WIDE WEB. The Internet relies on interaction between the different protocols so people can maximize the benefits of computers. However, as the web has expanded (it was the first of the elements of the Internet which could display pictures..) continual updates have allowed much of the downloading to be done without reference to FTP, and gopher is ancient since the same information can be processed through the WWW. Thus, the terms are often, inaccurately, interchanged.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

[RubberDucky]

heres a good resource:

http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/

note that the world wide web wasn't released until 1991, while the term "Internet" is referred to in the 1970s...

[RosieWolf]

fine and dandy to all that.. but Al STILL SAID HE CREATED THE INTERNET.... its what he said, he admits he said it, give it a rest now.

:)

the horse is dead guys, quit beatin the pore animal and let him rest in peace.. laffin

HNY :)

[RubberDucky]

once again people ignore detail and come to false conclusions..

Here’s what Internet guru Vinton Cerf told the Post’s John Schwartz:

SCHWARTZ: Vinton G. Cerf, a senior vice president at MCI Worldcom and the person most often called “the father of the Internet” for his part in designing the network’s common computer language, said in an e-mail interview yesterday, “I think it is very fair to say that the Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given it and related research areas by the vice president in his current role and in his earlier role as senator.”

source: http://www.dailyhowler.com/h032699_1.shtml


Widely known as one of the "Fathers of the Internet," Cerf is the co-designer of the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. In December 1997, President Clinton presented the U.S. National Medal of Technology to Cerf and his partner, Robert E. Kahn, for founding and developing the Internet.
source: http://www.icann.org/biog/cerf.htm

seems to be that one of the co-creators of the Internet has voiced the opinion that Gore did indeed "the initiative in creating the Internet"

[w1che]

Quote from Duck.. /snip Each of these components makes up part of the Internet. Sir Tim is correct in saying the Internet is becoming globally/snip
>>>>>>>

99,999% of people see all components connected together into something that looks like a NET but don't feel like saying " Interconnected together like a net." So what do people do? They make it shorter & just say... Internet... Meaning all connected together..... Yes google is your best friend Ducky..
:lol

[RubberDucky]

Originally posted by w1che
Quote from Duck.. /snip Each of these components makes up part of the Internet. Sir Tim is correct in saying the Internet is becoming globally/snip
>>>>>>>

99,999% of people see all components connected together into something that looks like a NET but don't feel like saying " Interconnected together like a net." So what do people do? They make it shorter & just say... Internet... Meaning all connected together..... Yes google is your best friend Ducky..
:lol

well w1che you're obviously too slow to see the point..

tim invented the web. he didn't invent the Internet

and google must be one of your best friends as well since you seem to use it all the time to verify what i say :lol

[sinecure]

Originally posted by RubberDucky

so to prove my point, once again, i'll go into more detail.....blah...blah...blah... ...

Let me know if you need further clarification.

Using at least 550 additional words, please expand. Remember to fully consider your assigned readings from this thread and develop a persuasive argument either for or against the main question of discussion. :cool :p

It surely seems silly to go into so much detail when you don't know what you're talking about... :rolleyes:

[w1che]

Ducky your funny.. Sad but funny.. :lol Not one thing I've seen you post would anyone have to look an answer up in order to nail your hide to the wall.. News flash.. You're not the brightest bulb on the tree but I like to humor you just to see what stupid thing you will come up with next.. :lol :lol

[Ateo]

This is the new Republican debating tactic. They put their fingers in their ears and say "La la la la! What? What?? I can't understand you! You're not making sense!" As if their feigned ignorance will somehow render the opponent's point irrelevent.

Brilliant! :)

[w1che]

After one hears that load high pitch whining noise coming from you Libs for so long it just gets to the point where the ears need all the protection they get.. I hope you understand we are not being rude, just trying to save our ear drums for another day.. :lol :eek:

[DEAD ZONE]

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I always wanted to use that smiley. Thanks w1 via the insanity of ducky.

[aclu14]

The Internet was originally a Pentagon project called Arpanet, for military use, but Al Gore in Congress realized what potential it could have for the general population. After fighting for funding for its development, yes, Al Gore can take some credit for helping to create the Internet.

[sinecure]

.... oh.... well... THAT settles it then.


AlGore DID "create the internet"... he just didn't invent it.

Thanks for explaining that, aclu14.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :question

:lol :lol

[w1che]

Lets take a look at the time line...

Al Gore Meets the Information Highway
Internet history cannot be easily summarized; there is no one single moment of discovery or invention. Press reports that claim the "Internet was invented in 1969" simply are not accurate; the term "internet" had not yet been coined. The most accurate summary would avoid use of the word "invent" altogether, as the Internet is not a single technology or device. One might date the birth of the Internet to the 1970s, when Kahn and Cerf began research on the Internet Protocol, or the 1980s, when it came into widespread use. But as the timeline shows, the basic underlying ideas date back as far as the early 1960s.

Clearly, then, if we take Gore literally at his word, he could not have "taken the initiative in creating the Internet." As the ARPANET moved from research to deployment, Gore was finishing college and serving in the Army in Vietnam. From 1976 to 1985, Gore served in the House of Representatives. From 1985 to 1992, he served in the Senate. The record shows that his interest in national computer networking issues became acute during his years in the Senate - when the Internet clearly was fully in operation.

[jstnomega]

Originally posted by sinecure


You would take the word of this scoundrel who would usurp AlGore's rightful claim as the inventor [OK, "creator"] of the internet?

You must be one of those quarrelsome right-wing types who focusses narrowly on what actually happened rather than the intent, ... as determined by an after-the-fact examination of the results.

Shame!...:o


:lol :lol :lol :lol

I'm sorry, sin. I'll try to do better.:cool

[DustyBottoms]

Good ol' Al :lol

[DustyBottoms]

Forgot to add the picture. :confused

[DEAD ZONE]

Just saw the history chanel do a piece on the internet. They said it was the idea of cientist that saw it as a way to comminicate in the event of a world wide nuclear war.

How that would work is a mystery??

Everyone created the thing . There . Case closed. Lets move on.