My bash Bush thread.

[DustyBottoms]

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

1. Bush wants to legalize 8 million illegal immigrants and make them eligible for welfare, social security, etc.

I am having a big problem with this. Am I missing something? Is he just going for the Hispanic vote? If so, I am greatly disappointed and disillusioned regarding his character. I thought he was above this kind of election year tactics. :confused

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses

But - come here legally and wait in line with the rest of the honest people of the world!

2. Build a moon base and go to Mars.

How about we build some new shuttles and fix our leaking space station. :confused

3. We need to stop the spending frenzy. I am OK with a deficit but when it reaches 40% of our worth it is time to stop spending. :confused

I welcome any input that might correct my assumptions.

[aclu14]

The scope of the tax cuts was crazy, considering the massive surge in spending. And that's all before the proposal of NASA's newfound popularity!

[sinecure]

You should remember how the Dems paid for the VN war... they simply ran the printing presses day and night, eventually paying for it with the resulting "cheap dollars".

Remember the double-digit inflation of the Carter presidency? ...and the resulting "bracket creep" that most income tax payers found themselves in?

I'm afraid it's likely coming again... :mad :cry

Put some of your money in gold and the rest in prime real estate.

No charge for the financial advice...:lol :lol :wave

[Ateo]

Point 1: Agreed. This is one issue I'm "conservative" on.

Point 2: Agreed. How can you have a spending orgy, cut taxes, fight a war, and send a man to Mars? This is insane fiscal policy, absolutely. I get the feeling the Mars thing is Bush's attempt to appear "bold" and "visionary" (like Kennedy), but it's blatantly transparent.

Point 3: Agreed. Bush is spending like a drunken sailor.

[w1che]

Doesn't anybody remember threads that was posted like a week ago? DB this was covered over & over again in that thread.. Did you hear Bush's speech on the subject? Try finding out the REAL information & don't go for the liberal line before you do..

I like the way you guys now forget why we had tax cuts in the first place.. Sure the Libs now want to CONTROL spending now that Bush has taken the recession off their reelection plate. Had we went into a deep recession the deficit spending could have been much higher than it is now.. It's really a good thing that the PHD'S that work for the government can think & look at more than one problem at a time..

[Ateo]

Originally posted by w1che
Sure the Libs now want to CONTROL spending now that Bush has taken the recession off their reelection plate. It's conservatives who are complaining.

We haven't recovered yet. Job growth is non-existant. The benefactors of Bush's recovery (the big boys at the top) seem curiously unintersted in letting things "trickle down". Imagine that.

[w1che]

Sorry Tig I guess all the indicators are wrong.. It's made it's way down to me. I've been making very good money in the market..

[aclu14]

Wunch! The reason why Bush rammed through tax cuts is because he wanted to tout tax cuts! Now look at the state of the Treasury! The national debt has doubled and the deficit is half a trillion dollars. And deficit spending in any amount is bad; the country can't even pay off the interest, let alone the debt itself. Tax cuts helped to make this monster and they will feed it. Future generations will be shackled in unpayable debt that never belonged to them. A whole generation of soon-to-be Wal-Mart greeters will never be able to retire. Kids die in the Gulf for a rich man's wallet while their families receive piddling pay. And the beneficiaries of the tax cuts in question? The typical family with two kids got around $600.

[sinecure]

First i read the following... Originally posted by tigsnort
It's conservatives who are complaining.

Then I read his next paragraph:

We haven't recovered yet. Job growth is non-existant. The benefactors of Bush's recovery (the big boys at the top) seem curiously unintersted in letting things "trickle down". Imagine that.


...Which reads to ME an awful lot like a standard whining, lib-style COMPLAINT.

... or are you saying that you are now a conservative, Tig?? :question :wave :lol :lol

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by aclu14
Wunch! The reason why Bush rammed through tax cuts is because he wanted to tout tax cuts! Now look at the state of the Treasury! The national debt has doubled and the deficit is half a trillion dollars. And deficit spending in any amount is bad; the country can't even pay off the interest, let alone the debt itself. Tax cuts helped to make this monster and they will feed it. Future generations will be shackled in unpayable debt that never belonged to them. A whole generation of soon-to-be Wal-Mart greeters will never be able to retire. Kids die in the Gulf for a rich man's wallet while their families receive piddling pay. And the beneficiaries of the tax cuts in question? The typical family with two kids got around $600.

FWIW - I did not completely understand the tax cuts. After paying $52,000 dolors to the government that year, the 600 dolors I got back seemed insignificant to me. However, it seems that the cuts managed to again pump up the economy. I will have to rely on the more learned "ACLU" types who fully understand the US economy and are thus qualified to judge the actions of the administration.

I am not against spending. I am against wasteful spending.

[sinecure]

Originally posted by aclu14
Wunch! The reason why Bush rammed through tax cuts is because he wanted to tout tax cuts!

And the recovery we are now seeing is just a simple, serendipitous happening? No... tax cuts stimulate the economy... JFK knew it, GWB knows it, you should know it too.


... Tax cuts helped to make this monster and they will feed it. Future generations will be shackled in unpayable debt that never belonged to them. A whole generation of soon-to-be Wal-Mart greeters will never be able to retire.

WOE IS US!!! What drama!! You'd think that we had never been in national debt before!! Like I posted in another thread... they'll run the printing presses until they can pay-down the debt! Meantime, the recovery continues apace, and more taxes will be coming in.

You see, to state it simply-- there are tax generators and there are tax eaters. When there are too many tax eaters who want to be supported by the tax generators the libs' answer is to tax the generators even more.... the conservative answer is to get the economy moving so that the tax eaters can be turned into tax generators.


Kids die in the Gulf for a rich man's wallet while their families receive piddling pay. And the beneficiaries of the tax cuts in question? The typical family with two kids got around $600.

It's why it's called "MILITARY SERVICE" and it's also why many of us appreciate those who have served and those who are continuing to serve while getting that "piddling pay" [which isn't really all THAT "piddling" in today's all-volunteer military.] The "rich man's wallet" comment is just a weak demonstration of the lib application of class envy. Like my father told me-- "Don't be too harshly critical of the rich people... You'll never get a good job working for a poor person."

As far as your denigrating the "Typical $600 tax break"... would you suggest that it would be more beneficial for that family with two kids if we didn't give back $600 in tax that they had paid?? [remember, it was their money to begin with] If the $600 is such a minimal amount... then let's keep the original $600, and tax them an additional $600... :clap

While I DO appreciate the thoughts and the more-than-three-words-and-a-smiley post ...What a doom-and-gloom drama queen you are... :lol

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[w1che]

I think some of you are confusing the tax rebate with the tax cut. If I'm not wrong that $600 bucks was a rebate. I only got $300 myself but hey it felt pretty good getting $300 Bucks of MY money back. Now I'm getting a very good return in the market so guess what. The IRS will get that $300 bucks back from me with a big bundle of interest..

I will pay in more this year than I did last year even with the tax cut.. Did you read that the states are doing a lot better now with their budgets? Yep you guessed it. Because the economy has improved greatly.

Don't worry they will raise taxes again soon enough...

[AWPrime]

Originally posted by sinecure
And the recovery we are now seeing is just a simple, serendipitous happening? No... tax cuts stimulate the economy... JFK knew it, GWB knows it, you should know it too.

Thats more likely a tempory event stimulated by defence spendings.

[w1che]

AW, Our increase in defence spending is a drop in the bucket compared to our overall GDP. (See the word increase) Consumer spending has & always will be the driving force behind our economy. You're just repeating the liberal election year spin..

[DEAD ZONE]

from a right leaning daily.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36574

Wesley Clark summed up what's going down in a recent campaign speech: "We've got veterans' hospitals closing; we've got people who have to drive six hours to get a checkup; we've got veterans that are waiting six months to get an appointment ... that's not health care." This is one he has correct.


Since 1996, the VA's workload has increased from 3 million to 7 million vets without a comparable increase in operating funds. There's presently neither the money nor the infrastructure to take care of all those who paid the hard price when Uncle Sam said, "I want you." Which is why the enrollment of thousands of eligible vets in the category designated as Priority Group 8 – non-service disabled vets and those with incomes higher than $24,000 a year – were dropped like a live grenade last year.


Bush gives lip service to the military and sweps the used goods under the table.