Bush should loose 2

[DEAD ZONE]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004579

The bottom line is truly shocking. Passage of the omnibus bill would raise total discretionary spending to more than $900 billion in 2004. By contrast, the eight Clinton-era budgets produced discretionary spending growth from $541 billion 1994 to $649 billion in 2001. Nor can recent increases be blamed on the war. At 18.6%, the increase in non-defense discretionary spending under the 107th Congress (2002-2003) is far and away the biggest in decades. In 2003, total federal spending topped an inflation-adjusted $20,000 per household for the first time since World War II.

This guy Bush must have been raised on a hog form. He sure loves the pork. He was flippant by not mentioning those that have yet to benefit from a recovering economy, seemed to offer no real definition of future foreign policy and seems to be more of a socialist control freak when it comes to personal freedom. {Drug testing and abstinence only sex Ed. :rolleyes: }.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=fisking&s=sullivan012104

[Ateo]

Just curious DZ. If it comes down to Bush vs. Kerry, who you gonna vote for?

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by tigsnort
Just curious DZ. If it comes down to Bush vs. Kerry, who you gonna vote for? neither. lib remember??

I dont know at this point if they are the only two. i dont know enough about kerry yet.


The diehard bushys will deflect to tax cuts to hide his iresponsibility elswhere. Even his own are calling him on it FINALLY.http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/22/p.../22FISC.html?hp
A day after President Bush vowed to submit an austere budget and halve the deficit in five years, conservatives in his own party said on Wednesday that they were not satisfied and stepped up their campaign to force the White House and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill to do more to hold down the growth of government spending.

Forty Republican House members gathered to hash out how to press Mr. Bush and the Congressional leadership to deal with spending increases that they say are running out of control and a deficit that is reaching alarming proportions.

Stick with the issue of the thread. IT AINT TAX CUTS!!

p.s.Bush can chose what to spend on as well.especially when YOU and tour kids are given the debt to pay

[w1che]

See if you can pick out the Democratic pork in the spending bill.. I bet you can...

Amount
Pork Project Recipient

$725,000
Please Touch Museum, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

$200,000
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, Cleveland, Ohio

$1,800,000
2003 Women’s World Cup Tournament

$6,000,000
Police Athletic League

$250,000
Call Me Mister program, Clemson University

$500,000
New England Amer-I-Can Program

$150,000
Rock School, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

$16,000
National Distance Running Hall of Fame, Utica, New York

$225,000
Hawaii statehood celebration

$325,000
Construction of a swimming pool in Salinas, California

$100,000
History competition during National History Day in Iowa

$175,000
Therapeutic Horse man ship center, Hoffman Homes for Youth, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania

$315,000
Formosan Subterranean Termite research

$100,000
Public service recognition week

$50,000
Father Maloney’s Boy’s Haven, Louisville, Kentucky

$75,000
Vintage Radio Programs and Jazz Museum, East Stroudsburg University

$100,000
Kids Rock Free educational program, Fender Museum of the Arts Foundation, Corona, California

$100,000
Renovation of the historic Coca-Cola building in Macon, Georgia

$100,000
Construction of an intergenerational daycare center in San Fernando Valley, California

$372,000
B&O Railroad Museum emergency restoration, Baltimore, Maryland

$75,000
Thelonious Monk Institute of Jazz, Washington, DC

$225,000
Construction of Blue-Gray Civil War Theme Park, Kentucky

$75,000
North Pole Transit System JARC Program, Alaska

$250,000
Feasibility study of establishing Suffolk (Virginia) Workforce Development Center

$350,000
Construction for a folk cultural center in Pinellas County, Florida

$400,000
Speed Art Museum, Louisville, Kentucky

$90,000
Olive fruitfly research

$150,000
Traffic light, Briarcliff Manor Union Free School District, New York

$100,000
People for People, Inc., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

$100,000
Amphitheater construction, North Star Productions, Inc., Bracken County, Kentucky

$2,000,000
First Tee program

$150,000
Regional Youth Baseball Complex Lancaster, California

$100,000
John Singelton Mosby Museum Foundation in Warrenton, Virginia

$180,000
Seafood waste research, Fairbanks, Alaska

$400,000
Walla Walla Public Schools, Walla Walla, Washington

$900,000
Kincaid Park Trail Connection, Alaska

$20,000
Southern Star Development Corporation, Louisville, Kentucky

$85,000
Comprehensive Transportation Plan for Lewisburg, West Virginia

$100,000
Norman Hall project, University of Florida

$225,000
Museum of Aviation Foundation Inc, Warner Robins, Georgia

$250,000
Lou Frey Institute of Politics, University of Central Florida

$270,000
Sustainable olive production

$5,000,000
Kennedy Center Potomac River Pedestrian and Bike Path

$100,000
National Civil War Museum, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

$200,000
Cedar glades research

$250,000
Theater construction, Studio for the Arts, Pocahontas, Arkansas

$2,000,000
Intermodal Transload Facility, Quincy, Washington

$110,000
Construction of a dental clinic in Bassfield, Mississippi

$220,000
New Mexico Retail Association, Albuquerque, New Mexico

$400,000
Davenport Music History Museum, Davenport, Iowa

$3,000,000
US 12 Widening, Wallula Junction to Walla Walla, Washington

$25,000
Alex Haley House Museum, Henning, Tennessee

$225,000
Rialto Square Theater, Joliet, Illinois

$5,000,000
Project SOCRATES

$90,000
Rabbit Run Community Arts Association, Madison, Ohio

$150,000
Renovation off Farmers market, Dallas, Texas

$200,000
Merit School of Music’s after school program

$200,000
Advanced Traffic Analysis Center, North Dakota

$250,000
Nevada Test Site Oral History Project

$400,000
National Center for American Revolution, Wayne, Pennsylvania

$1,000,000
Hal Rogers Parkway, Kentucky

$1,000,000
Ship Creek Improvements, Alaska

$2,000,000
I-SAFE America

$50,000
National Canal Museum, Easton, Pennsylvania

$100,000
Mystic Seaport, the Museum of America and the Sea

$200,000
Renovation of First National Bank Building, Greenfield, Massachusetts

$250,000
Martha’s Village and Kitchen, Indio, California

$270,000
Potato storage

$1,000,000
Transylvania Community Hospital, Brevard, North Carolina

$6,000,000
Treasure Island Bridge

$80,000
Hot Springs Bike Trail, Arkansas

$90,000
Karnal bunt research, Manhattan, Kansas

$175,000
Wichita Art Museum, Wichita, Kansas

$210,000
O. Winston Link Museum, Roanoke, Virginia

$250,000
James S. Taylor Memorial Home, Louisville, Kentucky

$250,000
Museum of Broadcast Communications, Chicago, Illinois

$500,000
Traffic Signal Replacement Program, New Rochelle, New York

$2,000,000
Parents Anonymous

$100,000
"Servicing our Youth"

$275,000
Refurbishment of the Coach George E. Ford Center, Powder Springs, Georgia

$150,000
Piper’s Opera House Programs, Inc., Virginia City, Nevada

$270,000
U.S. Vegetable Lab

$1,250,000
US-2, Dover Bridge, Bonner County, Idaho

$25,000
Capitol Area Boy Scouts

$113,000
Healing Place, Louisville, Kentucky

$500,000
Jim Thorpe Bridge Renovation Project, Pennsylvania

$600,000
Web Wise Kids

$800,000
Mammoth Lakes Bus Purchase, California

$100,000
Renovate the Jamestown (Ohio) Opera House

$400,000
Ed Roberts Campus transit center, California

$750,000
The Doe Fund’s Ready, Willing & Able program

$160,000
Grapevine Bus Purchase, Texas

$500,000
Round Rock Higher Education Center, Southwest Texas State University

$1,400,000
Translational Genomics Research Institute, Phoenix, Arizona

$25,000
Transylvania County, North Carolina, Sheriff’s Citizens Observer Patrol and Education Team

$200,000
Chaldean Community Culture Center, West Bloomfield, Michigan

$300,000
Milwaukee Summer Stars

$450,000
Johnny Appleseed Heritage Center, Inc., Ashland County, Ohio

$750,000
Intelligent Transportation Systems, Wichita Transit Authority

$1,500,000
Operation Streetsweeper

$125,000
Planning for new route over Cape Fear River, North Carolina

$300,000
Omnitrans—Paratransit Vehicles, California

$500,000
Bike path, St. Petersburg, Florida

$1,000,000
WestStart Vehicular Flywheel Project, Washington

$15,000
Pines of Peace, Inc., Ontario, New York

$75,000
U.S. Dream Academy, Inc., Columbia, Maryland

$200,000
Oneont Bus Replacement, New York

$450,000
Trout Genome Mapping

$500,000
LOVE Social Services, Fairbanks, Alaska

$750,000
Broken Bow rail spur, Oklahoma

$2,000,000
Tools for Tolerance program, California

$150,000
National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation

$1,000,000
DelTrac Statewide Integration, Delaware

[DEAD ZONE]

And Bush signed off on it.He has his own pork.

[DEAD ZONE]

On January 14, Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) quietly circulated a letter to his fellow Senators, reminding them of the pork projects they could lose if the Omnibus bill were defeated. Some of those projects include: $50 million for an indoor rain forest in Coralville, Iowa; $18.5 million for the International Fund for Ireland; $725,000 for the Please Touch Museum in Philadelphia, Pa.; and $500,000 for the Montana Sheep Institute.

“The last remaining hope for taxpayers is for President Bush to veto the bill,” Schatz concluded. “CCAGW will rate this vote in our 2004 Congressional Ratings. The pork barrel is overflowing, and taxpayers know who is to blame.”



http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_NewsRelease_01222004

[DEAD ZONE]

Most experts agree that recent forecasts of US fiscal health are alarming:

• Deficits are expected to reach or exceed $5 trillion over the next decade, according to new studies by groups ranging from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities to Goldman Sachs.

• The federal budget deficit this year is expected to approach $500 billion. That's a record, although sustainable in the short term if the economy grows fast enough.

• The Medicare system is expected to go cash negative for the first time in 2015; Social Security in 2018.

"It's a system that's completely out of control, and it's an absolute disgrace," says Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona, commenting on the runaway spending on Capitol Hill.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0123/p02s02-uspo.html

[AWPrime]

Thats really bad.:eek:

[Ateo]

In Dick Cheneys words, speaking for his party/administration:

"It's our due."

[w1che]

The Senator from Iowa is who DZ? DZ do you even know what the Omnibus bill is and why we have one? No spending bill would get past the congress without pork, never has, never will.. That's why in the past Presidents wanted the line item veto so they could cut out & veto pork & over spending without having to veto the whole bill.. Well guess what.. The courts said nope, that can't be done because congress controls the money.. Not the President..

[DEAD ZONE]

Thats always the lame argument that spen thrifts pull. The press ca veto it and send it back . He doesnot have to aprove ALL the pork in it. Funny how it was done by previous presidents.

We know that some pork is always there. THIS IS NOT SOME PORK.

[aclu14]

"Deficit spending" is a euphemism for "we're bankrupt."

[sinecure]

Originally posted by aclu14
"Deficit spending" is a euphemism for "we're bankrupt."

Wrong again.

We've been doing it for years. You might find it interesting to discover who the biggest "deficit spender" presidents were.

[AWPrime]

enlighten us.

[w1che]

ACLU you need to get out of the house more. So if I borrow money to buy a house or car that means I'm bankrupt!! Even though my credit rating is tops... You really are funny... :lol :lol

AW no one can enlighten you.. When one talks about an inpossible task. The enlighten of AW would be the one they are talking about..:lol

[AWPrime]

This discussion is too high for you to grasp isn't it?

[Ateo]

Borrowing money for a house is one thing. Borrowing money for a house, then splurging on a Humvee, big screen TV/sound system, designer suits, gold-plated chandelier etc etc when you can't afford it, is pathologically ignorant.

[sinecure]

Originally posted by tigsnort
Borrowing money for a house is one thing. Borrowing money for a house, then splurging on a Humvee, big screen TV/sound system, designer suits, gold-plated chandelier etc etc when you can't afford it, is pathologically ignorant.

Perhaps... if you are a family that is forced to use the money the Government provides.

However... THE GOVERNMENT "OWNS" THE RIGHT TO PRINT MONEY AND THE PRESSES TO DO IT. YOU DON'T. Therein lies the very big difference, folks.

Since it seems that most of you are in your "younger years", I can't expect you to recall the days of 75¢/hr minimum wage... when a really good job paid $100/week, and a loaf of top-quality bread was 15¢. Banks loaned money at 4% and your savings account earned 2%. Can you understand what has happened to the money supply in the ensuing years?

If I had incurred an interest-free debt for say, $1,000 in 1950... with the debt payable to you in 2003... the one-thousand 2003 dollars would be worth only $130.98 in 1950 bucks. In other words, to make the debt equivalent in buying power, [which is, afterall, central to the utility of money] I would need to pay you $7,634.85 in 2003.

So... perhaps you can see how we managed to pay for the VietNam war-- with the double-digit inflation of the Carter Administration. [Yes, the OPEC-generated "oil crisis" had a little something to do with it as well, but the Government's printing presses cranked-out a whole lot of paper fiat money in the 1970's.]

You can depend upon another round of sky-high inflation to pay for this latest boondoggle as well.

Politicians like inflationary times, 'cause it allows "bracket creep", forcing people to pay more in income taxes. [The inequity of the graduated income tax is/should be the subject of another thread altogetrher.]

Knowing this, and having the benefit of TIME... well, if you're smart, you can profit nicely in inflationary times. Even with a rather small beginning amount. :wink

[w1che]

You can borrow money for anything you want as long as you have the means to pay it back someday. Be real about this.. Business runs on borrowed money & there is a reason for that.

AW save your keyboard, I never pay much attention to you anyway.. You're the type that goes to the doctor & says.."Doc no one pays any attention to me" The doctor says.."NEXT"... :lol

[aclu14]

Originally posted by w1che
You can borrow money for anything you want as long as you have the means to pay it back someday.


And the USofA will have a means to pay back more than $4 trillion dollars? Christ, it can't even pay the interest.....

[sinecure]

Originally posted by aclu14

And the USofA will have a means to pay back more than $4 trillion dollars? Christ, it can't even pay the interest.....

That's why you, aclu14, must get a decent education so that you might be worth something to some employer, make a lot of money, pay a lot of taxes and help your fellow Americans who have decided not to take that path.

Judging from what Marxist crap you've historically posted, you may have some severe internal conflixcts with that plan, but I can't see any other viable course for you to help the downtrodden... :wink :p :lol

[w1che]

ACLU government bonds are the highest rated bonds anyone can buy.. There is a reason for that also. Did you know most of the national debt is owed to Americans.. No of course you didn't..

Yep you keep going to school because without a collage education you won't be able to get a job paying enough for you to pay taxes and I know you want to pay your share someday.. :rolleyes:

[AWPrime]

These old guys seem to lazy to pay their own expenses, and shift them to the next generation.

[DEAD ZONE]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040124/nysa010a_1.html
Newsweek shows the president slumping back to 50 percent approval ratings.Statistically ,Bush in in a dead tie with Kerry,clark and edwards.Yes its early but if the Bush crowed thinks they have another Dukakis{?} or an easy ride, they better think again. The conservative base seems far less motivated and fired up than the left .The old stand by liberal bashing on tax and spend will not hold so well given this administrations spend thrift ways. Taxes may still have a bite.

If you told me in fall '00 that the next Republican administration would embrace mushy multiculturalism; wipe out our reputation for fiscal rectitude; preside over a massive entitlements expansion; embrace secrecy as a good in itself; and unnecessarily strain the US armed forces to the breaking point, I would never have believed it. But it has all come to pass, and we must be very clear on why it has come to pass: it is not because these things are expressions of the core principles of most Republicans -- it is because most Republicans have allowed them despite their core principles.http://38.144.96.23/tacitus/archives/001422.html#001422

Good points.No wonder the conservatives are not fired up.

[w1che]

DZ stop thinking in one dimension. Branch out.. The republicans are not campaigning yet so the trash those Democrats are putting out is going largely unanswered.. Polls don't mean a thing at this point. A Newsweek liberal rag poll won't mean a thing in Nov.

If troops are still getting killed in Iraq at a high rate in Sept. & Oct. of this year Bush has a real problem but will probably still win because of the wacko that will be running on the Democratic ticket. The Senate holding up those judges ain't going to help them win come Nov. because most people but the hard left hate what liberal judges are doing to this country..

[Ateo]

I agree with Wunch--the Bush campaign hasn't started in earnest, so it's too early to make any predictions. The best approach for Rove: keep Bush as silent as possible. I can't imagine Bush winning a debate with any of the Dems at this point, nor dealing well with insistent, pointed questions from reporters.

The wisest thing Bush could do is stay reserved, but put the peripheral PR machine into overtime. But if he doesn't start giving the public some satisfying explanations for his shenanigans, he's doomed. So he's basically painted himself into a corner.

[aclu14]

Originally posted by w1che

If troops are still getting killed in Iraq at a high rate in Sept. & Oct. of this year Bush has a real problem but will probably still win because of the wacko that will be running on the Democratic ticket. The Senate holding up those judges ain't going to help them win come Nov. because most people but the hard left hate what liberal judges are doing to this country..

Prove it?

[w1che]

ACLU.. Light another candle, put on your dark mask & go back to sleep. When you prove what you write & get into a debate. Then I will prove what I write... :wink

[DEAD ZONE]

I was not making a prediction, just stating a fact.At this time they are not fired up and are mad at Bush

[w1che]

Hell I'm mad at the democrats but what does that mean.. News flash for you.. I'm not fond of Bush myself but I can't stand the thought of a more liberal supreme court. Those are the people that are really in control of the direction America will go on all issues...Black robed dictators..

[Ateo]

Originally posted by w1che
I can't stand the thought of a more liberal supreme court. Those are the people that are really in control of the direction America will go on all issuesI agree, only substitute conservative for liberal. :) Scalia's a nightmare, and I'm sure Bush would nominate someone even worse. W's got to go.

[aclu14]

Originally posted by w1che
ACLU.. Light another candle, put on your dark mask & go back to sleep. When you prove what you write & get into a debate. Then I will prove what I write... :wink

WILL YOU STOP WITH THE CHEAP SHOTS ALREADY??? :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

[sinecure]

Originally posted by aclu14


WILL YOU STOP WITH THE CHEAP SHOTS ALREADY??? :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad

You just might read your last... oh... say THREE THOUSAND POSTS.

You'll see what "cheap shots" really are!

YOU, aclu. are one of the foremost "cheap shotters" here!!

You are funny and sad... all at the same time.

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by aclu14


WILL YOU STOP WITH THE CHEAP SHOTS ALREADY??? :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad :mad can you read

[w1che]

Qoute from ACLU... WILL YOU STOP WITH THE CHEAP SHOTS ALREADY???
>>>>>>>>>.

Nope ...... Next !!!!!!!

[Ateo]

Just put him on your ignore list aclu. You won't be missing much. :wink

[sinecure]

Originally posted by tigsnort
Just put him on your ignore list aclu. You won't be missing much. :wink

Or assume the typical liberal 'listening" position... fingers in the ears, eyes tightly shut and loudly chanting "La La La La..."

:p

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by sinecure


Or assume the typical liberal 'listening" position... fingers in the ears, eyes tightly shut and loudly chanting "La La La La..."

:p no no. everyone else is a fascist nazi is their view remember?{at least soem anyway}

: "My friend said, 'I'm for the UN and international law, and I think you've become a traitor to the left. A neocon!'
I said, 'I'm for overthrowing tyrants, and since when did overthrowing fascism become treason to the left?'
'But isn't George Bush himself a fascist, more or less? I mean-admit it!'
My own eyes widened. 'You haven't the foggiest idea what fascism is,' I said. 'I always figured that a keen awareness of extreme oppression was the deepest trait of a left-wing heart. Mass graves, three hundred thousand missing Iraqis, a population crushed by thirty-five years of Baathist boots stomping on their faces-that is what fascism means! And you think that a few corrupt insider contracts with Bush's cronies at Halliburton and a bit of retrograde Bible-thumping and Bush's ridiculous tax cuts and his bonanzas for the super-rich are indistinguishable from that?-indistinguishable from fascism? From a politics of slaughter? Leftism is supposed to be a reality principle. Leftism is supposed to embody an ability to take in the big picture. The traitor to the left is you, my friend...'"http://www.dissentmagazine.org/menutest/articles/wi04/berman.htm

[Serendipity]

Originally posted by DEAD ZONE
[...] a population crushed by thirty-five years of Baathist boots stomping on their faces-that is what fascism means!Some of those boots were paid for by US tax $$ (not just US - I'm not getting at America specifically). Expediency outweighs all political principles, it seems.

[w1che]

Ah, ACLU won't put me on her ignore list. She likes to take her little cheap shots at me almost every time I post. I guess she just likes the cheap shots going out with none coming in.. :lol

I wonder why they call liberal black robed dictators Judges? Why don't we just call them what they really are? Lawbreakers to be lawmakers.

[DEAD ZONE]

Originally posted by Serendipity
Some of those boots were paid for by US tax $$ (not just US - I'm not getting at America specifically). Expediency outweighs all political principles, it seems. Of course it does. Thats why only the lowest scum are politicians{as a rule}.

some by german, french and russian as well as u.n. the supply was noy mainly u.s. but nice try to divert .:p

Its about the lefts politics, not the u.s. , germany or any one nation per-say

[DEAD ZONE]

http://www.hayekcenter.org/prestopunditarchive/002342.html
There is not even the smallest thing "conservative" about tax cuts and spending increases as far as the eye can see. Republicans who pretend otherwise are selling a "free lunch" that wastes wealth, decapitalizes the country and burdens the next generation with a massive negative compound interest problem. All that is being done is a con job on public in which the people are fooled into thinking they and the country are wealthier than they really are - and that govenment goodies are a costless "free lunch". Well, there is no free lunch. The classic "unseen" cost of this "free lunch" shell game is the cost which will be borne by later generations who will be burdened with the massive weight of government debt, rather than advantaged by the wealth stream made possibly by private sector capital goods investment.