Smoking

[aclu14]

Smoking is illegal. Anyone who still wishes to smoke must be locked in an airtight room sans food or water, and must smoke until they die of asphyxiation. Amnesty International has approved this as a treatment.

[This message has been edited by aclu14 (edited July 29, 2001).]

[ogb]

No!!! If smoking would be illegal, the state had to add high taxes on other products. Give the smokers the freedom at least in their rooms and let them smoke till they die.

[Ada_Doom]

Much as I dislike smoking, I have to say banning it completely would probably turn out to be the 21st century version of prohibition. But since this is a fake law: Yay! Go ahead. Particularly harsh punishments for people who smoke whilst others are eating! Surely you don't actually need a fag between EVERY course!!!!!

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[Idnew]

Oh so what if it is a health hazard. Do you want to put the health insurance company's out of business the hospitals? Whatever would the States of Florida and North Carolana do for a living?(Major tobacco growers around here we used to be one) Just look at the people that would have to go on welfare. Oh and lets not forget the ones that actually make the cigs and packages them. Your talking about a major loss to America here aclu. Do you really want such a crisis? I didn't think so. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

BTW I do smoke but I try not to be rude to other people around me when I smoke. Yes, I do think it is a bad habit and one which I have tried many times to break. Only thing I haven't tried is hypnosis.

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[Serendipity]

By the same logic, aclu, drinking is a health hazard, crossing the street is a major killer, and so should be banned, and since most folks die in bed, all horizontal sleeping places must be outlawed. Hm. I'll stick to my ciggies. BTW when Ada refers to fags, she means cigarettes, not what most Americans might think she means! I love having a fag hanging out of my mouth!!! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[cleoeo]

I'm trying to %$*! quit right now. Second %$@*&!! day! Aaargh!

[Azrack]

U dont wanna know how bad that sounds..."I love to have a fag...eww..sticking out o my mouth...EWWWW a fag?!?! Do u have a husband? If u do he better know about those fags...EWWWW http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[aclu14]

Smoking is disgusting. A smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool - - it all mixes in.

[ogb]

I'd be glad if we had non-smoking sections here. Nothing is as disgusting as sitting in a nice restaurant, getting a nice dinner and next to you there sits a person smoking a cigarette.

[Ada_Doom]

Thanks for saving my blushes there Dip! I didn't think of that one....
At my uni ball last summer, we were sitting for dinner with 6 other people, all of whom lit up as soon as they finished a course, and none of whom asked if me and my mates minded. Being British, of course, we just pursed our lips, and b*tched when they were out of earshot, but it's been a pet hate ever since! Grrrrrr!

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i dont like smoking and to be around people who smoke...n i think it would be great if every1 in this world who smoked would quit cuz u do get disease from it...um cancer.....n u would save money!!! but alot of ppl like to "depend" on cigs......and we all have to go....n if ppl want to choose to go faster,,then let them go by dying of cigs...by my opinion....i wouldnt do...but go ahead..their the ones wasting their $...so let them b...and serendipity...all those are small hazards..n we all have to die...i'd rather die in my own bed of natural causes then in a hospital with tubes sticking out cuz i have a disease or cancer....but we all have 2 go u know...n u dont necessarily die in bed cuz of the bed....it was just time to go!!

[Serendipity]

Originally posted by Azrack:
U dont wanna know how bad that sounds..."I love to have a fag...eww..sticking out o my mouth...EWWWW a fag?!?! Do u have a husband? If u do he better know about those fags...EWWWW http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

Now, if I had a husband... well, I could go on but I'm a man so I wouldn't... look, over here fag means cigarette and it's quite normal and you Yankees are the weird ones. Smokin is disgusting and unhealthy, I know, but I do enjoy it. I also try to be aware of where I'm smoking. Never in a house with kids, for example. Xic, I was joking about the beds! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif I'm serious about other health hazards, though. Driving a car is a health hazard, thousands die from it every year, so let's ban it!

[CBranski]

A couple of thoughts on smoking from someone who smokes. Folks need to realize that there is all manner of bad behavior out there, and it can't be all legislated away.

A word to Ada about the smoker at her table: he/she should have been asked not to smoke at the table. Just to give you an example, when I'm out dining with others and the urge for a smoke comes about, I excuse myself to the bar or outside.

Asking permission to smoke of course applies especially to private homes-I've seen many people forget this fact or just not care. Not only do non-smokers not want people smoking in the house, but I know a lot of smokers who go outside themselves to preserve the upholstery etc.

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[Ada_Doom]

CB, that's what most smokers do, unfortunately we were stuck with a group of generally bad-mannered and obnoxious people. Never mind. I'll get over it. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif I think I'll stick to my chocolate addiction - less

[Hamburglar]

Hey aclu real funny about the smoking and peeing section. Dad made that up... Amelia!!!

[bi-blonde]

At least smoking is still legal. If you want to hate a smoker, hate the pot smokers. We all have our bad habits. Who can really say that they dont bite their nails, pick their boogers, or here's one....even go to the bar to have a drink. Isn't drinking just as bad as smoking? Sitting next to a smoking section in a restaraunt might be just as annoying as listening to an infant scream at the adjacent table all through your dinner but you know what? DEAL WITH IT! To each their own, people!

[Serendipity]

Why hate pot smokers?

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[xV35ballx]

The only real problem I have with smokers is this: I'm allergic. It's not as bad as a lot of people who're allergic, but it's still a bit of a problem when we request the nonsmoking section & are seated right next to the smoking section. I just think that there should be a bit of distance between the smoking & nonsmoking sections, since the smoke disipates through the room, thus not being as strong.

I think all drugs should be legal. Parents and schools should educate children on why it is illegal, but it should be legal. Cigarettes are just another drug that really only hurts the smoker. Restaurants should have the choice of having smoking or non-smoking sections, as it is their own business. Hey, if you don't like a place because people smoke there, then don't go. Public and Gov't places that people might HAVE to go to should be non-smoking with smoking sections segregated.


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[~wildangel~]

Sorry but im with ACLU! I can't STAND being around smokers!Their breath when they exhale near you, the smoke they blow in my pregnant face when their sitting outside walmart puffing away, their rotted teeth when they smile, the smell of nicotene in their houses, on their clothes! Ewww my grandpa smokes all the time with my kids around and they inhale it all the time and their clothes i get back from grandpas stench of ciggarettes...it's so nasty!

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So.. because you don't like it means that it should be illegal? That's just plain silly. I think that public and gov't places should be non-smoking but businesses should have the choice. If you don't like being around smokers, don't go near them. If you don't like Granpa smoking around your kids, well either tell him to stop or you'll quit bringing the kids over. Sheesh, it's pretty silly to make a law because you don't want to have to inconvenience yourself by not being around smokers. Smoking or not smoking is your choice, being around smokers is still a choice, just choose not to be around them.



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[xV35ballx]

Smoking hurts more than just the smoker, Thai. Second hand smoke is just as dangerous as first hand smoke, if not more than it. I've heard stories of people who never smoked in their whole life getting lung cancer because they either worked in an office of smokers, or lived with a smoker. And careless smokers have burned houses down. So please check your facts before making a statement like "Smoking only hurts the smoker."

"I've heard stories of people who never smoked in their whole life getting lung cancer because they either worked in an office of smokers, or lived with a smoker."

Please, go ask any doctor how many "second hand smoke" patients they have. There have been numerous studies that indicate that the effects of "second hand smoke" are inconclusive. It was Bill Clinton that told scientists that they HAVE TO come up with studies that show that second hand smoke is unhealthy. So, he stacked the deck and made sure that second-hand smoke tests were botched. Please, go find some statistics on how many second-hand smoke "victims" are being treated in the hospitals.


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26109,00.html

If you'd like to read about the numerous studies that have been done on second-hand smoke by an objective news source.

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Here is another entire website giving the facts. You can figure out the truth yourself.

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[~wildangel~]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken:
So.. because you don't like it means that it should be illegal? That's just plain silly. I think that public and gov't places should be non-smoking but businesses should have the choice. If you don't like being around smokers, don't go near them. If you don't like Granpa smoking around your kids, well either tell him to stop or you'll quit bringing the kids over. Sheesh, it's pretty silly to make a law because you don't want to have to inconvenience yourself by not being around smokers. Smoking or not smoking is your choice, being around smokers is still a choice, just choose not to be around them.



Soo basically your saying if I CHOOSE to go into the supermarket to get food with my kids and you choose to blow smoke in my face it's my fault for going shopping? Your saying if I CHOOSE to go into a resteraunt I should be subjected to health hazards because of smokers because I chose to go eat?
I don't care if people smoke just as long as they don't around me!

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Hey, if the Grocery store wants to allow smoking inside, then they should be able to. They will suffer the consequences of losing the business of non-smokers that don't want to smell it. Privately owned business should have the choice of allowing or not allowing smoking. Public places that people need to go to should not allow smoking. You are seeing things in black and white, I am offering a middle road approach. Non-smokers shouldn't have to suffer from the nasty smell of second-hand smoke, you are correct. But businesses should make the choice of letting the smokers smoke there or not. If you don't like it, don't go to the particular business. That's all I'm saying.

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Every drug should legalised and state regulated, for if it is made illicit then the only way is down, and underground.

The smoking issue, well it strikes me thus: a person has every right to smoke, it is the individual's choice. As for the theory of smoking and non-smoking areas in restaurants etc: it is an irritating fact of life that the two sections inevitably merge, but it need not be that way. The simple approach is to make it so that the two areas have to be split by a wall, thus keeping non-smokers happy and the smokers too.

Any smoker who does not have the decency to ask if it is ok that they spark up, or do it even if they know there is an objection are !%!%!%!%!%!%!%!%s. A smoker who smokes around children, or those with specific and clear symptoms which smoking will make worse are !%!%!%!%!%!%!%s aswell, but that is as a result of their uncaring character - NOT the cigarette's!

I might add, I really do not like it when there is a person near me with a lot of perfume on; I find it quite vile. Does this mean perfume should be made illegal, or have perfume and non-perfume sections in restaurants etc for my comfort? I question if many would agree to that, so things have to be taken in consideration.

Smoking whilst eating, or inbetween meals etc is quite gross by all accounts. I cannot stand smokey areas in restaurants, it makes the whole experience less enjoyable. The same is true for when people blow their smoke into my face, that is just inconsiderate and not required.

For those in the US: I thought you prided yourself on being the land of the free, where the indivudal has the freedom of choice. Or, am I mistaken?


Yours,


A Considerate Smoker

[aclu14]

Considerate smoker? Since when is smoking around nonsmokers considerate?
I didn't mean to start such a controversy, but hey, what is DL all about? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by aclu14 (edited October 10, 2001).]

[Serendipity]

Aclu, please read Cow Miner's post.

[paulgro]

Welcome to dumb laws CM....

For those in the US: I thought you prided yourself on being the land of the free, where the indivudal has
the freedom of choice. Or, am I mistaken?

The individual has the freedom of choice if you're in the majority. I know, I'm a smoker for over 35 years. People in this country seem to forget we have rights to, but now we are the minority so we don't count....

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Aclu, it really would be greatly appreciated if you actually read my post before criticising.

Paulo(hope I have remembered the name right), that is a key point you have brought up, it seems to me. There is no denying it is our, the smoker's, responsibility to make sure we do not inconvenience the life of the non-smoker, that is only fair; but as you say, those who automatically say smoking should not be allowed......well then I say ban perfume.

Then again, no matter how a person tries, they are always, to some degree, be it massively or minutely, subjective and bias: it is inevitiable, indeed is essentially a good thing - without it no arguments could start, and so no problems would be solved.


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[~wildangel~]

Ok Cow minor that's exactly how I feel! I have no problems with conciderate smokers...alot of my friends smoke but they are conciderate! They always ask me if the smoke's bugging me and they move when I say "Your smokin in my face!(half kidding)" But I meant, and should sum up, I don't like people that smoke in my face, or that insist on smoking in the car with me, ect. Those ones should be illegal!

About the too much perfume, it stinks too!

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[Lis]

I too wish to know why we should hate pot smokers....but thats a whole other story.

I resent the statements at the top about how it would be funny to lock smokers in a room and watch them die...I know it was a joke...it wasn't funny...smokers dont deserve to die despite the fact that they increase their chances of it.

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I thiink smoking should be illegal, i grew up with smokers and my grandpa died from it. Now my mom smokes!

[Serendipity]

Welcome to Dumb Laws, Amanda http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

I smoke. I think it's a disgusting habit. I am aware of all the damage I am doing to myself. I try not to inflict my horrible smoke on others. However...

Do you think it would be better if people didn't smoke because they chose not to, or because they were not allowed to?

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[Phreakmeister]

I think that everyone has the right to smoke or not to smoke. What I think is an obligation, however, is that we take each other in consideration. This includes for instance not smoking in the presence of someone who has asthma.

I personally don't smoke anymore. *looks up in shame* I started when I was 14, I gave it up last year, just before I turned 18.

A lot of people in my family got longue cancer too. My grandfather died from it, and an uncle wasn't cured in time, so it has spread to his brains and other parts of his body http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[aclu14]

Can someone tell me the point of smoking? Dippy?

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[Serendipity]

Originally posted by aclu14:
Can someone tell me the point of smoking? Dippy?
Do you mean the point of smoking once you've started (i.e. addicted), or the point of starting to smoke?

Smoking to a smoker is about feeding an addiction, which is beyond logic or reason, it's just something you have to do.

There is no point in starting to smoke, unless you want to be short of breath and money, foul-smelling in breath and clothes, and occasionally regarded as a social outcast.

Smoking, once you're hooked: That cigarette just makes the day smile a little on you, or that's the impression it gives. I enjoy smoking, I'm not a heavy smoker, but I have no illusions about it. Please don't ask me to defend smoking, I cannot, but unless you're addicted you don't know what it's like.

[~wildangel~]

Good reply Dippy...I have never smoked, never will but it's nice to hear an honest answer http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Enforcer]

I too HATE smoking.
I ONCE (SORT OF) turned down this extremely beautiful girl cuz she smoked... so
I still don't agree with this law, cuz when something is illegal, there'll just be more poeple doing it becuz then they'll be "tougher" Same with certain drugs. If they legalise coke now (I'm not saying they should, cuz there are other arguements)but if they would, there would be way less of this stuff sold.(one of the other arguements is that poeple from other countries would just come buy it where its legal and smuggle it and stuff. But anyway, No smoking for me

(maybe this topic should be called NO smoking!LOL)

Oh and yeah Dippy intelligent reply
Glad 2 see there are still intelligent poeple walking the earth ( and discussing laws)

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