suicide

[jill]

should people be put in a mental hospital if they are suicidal? I don't think so if they are you should have something done. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Zany-J]

I work with people who have mental health problems. It is difficult to say what should be done concerning people who are suicidal. I think that a lot of people do not know or care about people facing these problems as it is taboo in our society. Certainly these people should be given proper help and support and not be ignored. What do you suggest should be done if they are not admitted to mental hospitals?

[Phreakmeister]

My attitude towards the issue is ambiguous. On one hand I think people who are suicidal should be helped. We can't turn a blind eye to those members of society who clearly have difficulties coping with life.
On the other hand, the word "treatment" implies the vision that suicidal tendencies form a kind of mental illness. Which, IMO, they aren't. IMO, suicidal tendencies are linked to stress and fatigue.

IMO, we should definitely get treatment for suicidals. We owe it, at least out of solidarity, to those who face difficulties in dealing with everyday situations.
But we should be careful not to push suicidals in the same corner as paranoid people or people with MPS.

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Do you believe in death after life?

[jill]

i agree that suicidal patients should get help but if people put them in it cuz they are scared then it is not right.i hope you understand what i am trying to get across to everyone.

[jettmotto]

i think suicide is stupid. i mean serieously what on earth, or in the whole universe for that matter is worth killing yourself?

[Zany-J]

A good friend of mine tried to take her own life(unsuccessfully) - thank god. She is much happier now and has goals/ambitions and enjoys life. At the time she attempted she was so depressed that she felt that she had no other choice; she wasn't properly living life so she might as well be dead. It took her a long time to get over it but I am so glad she did http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

i think if you're not seriously mentally disturbed, that suicidal ATTEMPTS are attention driven- the fact that you arent getting enough. then again, what else is suicide/ life for? oh man, i'm on a mind loop now. for a LITTLE while, i thought i had this subject a LITTLE figured out. now i'm all confused again. life's about living, enjoying, being appreciated, and some what having other's attention, right? and maybe what drives people to attempting/committing suicide is the fact that they dont get enough of some of these. how about someone wanna help clarify here?

[jettmotto]

Originally posted by Zany-J
A good friend of mine tried to take her own life(unsuccessfully) - thank god. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif
i have cousins, peers, friends who have tryed suicide some succesful some not, either way the part that would scare me the most is if I was unsuccesful......
1. how dumb would you feel if you couldn't do that right!
2. (this happend to a peer from school) put a gun to your chin or in your mouth, shoot and the bullet come out his forehead and now has false teeth on top and a scar on his forehead from a .45 cal. imagine how dumb he looks.
3. i would imagine there to be to much suffering, gun shot wound, stab wounds, tryin to od and foaming at the mouth in a hospital bed for like 3 months or however long.
4. i'm just saying that would be my luck!!:o
and thats why i think suicide is stupid

[pittstonjoma]

I was once suicidal.. When you're like that you are so stressed/depressed/ etc. that you are not thinking clearly. Suicidal people need some sort of help with their problems so they realize life is worth living and that suicide isn't the answer, whether it be counseling or mental institutions or the like. Suicidal people also need help and support from the people that are closest to them. Suicidal people need to talk with their peers about how they feel and they need to be encouraged that they have a reason to live. When I was suicidal I was very depressed, and I felt like everyone hated me and I just wanted to die.. Talking to people close to me really helped. Now I view life differently. I feel I have a reason to live and I don't feel like people hate me anymore. Yes, suicide is stupid, but the people wanting to commit suicide are not thinking rationally and don't realize that. They also give themselves excuses/ reasons to die that they feel justifies the will to die and that killing themselves is "good". Hopefully you'll understand a little better from this post.

[TheSecretKnight]

People who feel as though they wat to take away their own life aren't stupid, and suicide isn't something resulting from idiocy. If someone hurts themself badly in attempt to make it look as though they're suicidal, they're simply a masochist seeking attention. There are, however, people who do feel such great emotional pain that they no longer want to live through anymore. A person that loses their sole reason of living--a friend or close one they feel as though they were born for--, perhaps was betrayed by someone close to them, lost a close friend, family member, lover through death... if a person no longer wishes to live for the loss of something so important to them, they should be given the right to end their own life. I mean, why force someone to live the rest of their life with such an emptiness? As aMayJinH said, life is something to be enjoyed... if someone simply can't enjoy life, they shouldn't have to be forced to continue living it.

Quello é tutto.

~§ecretKnight

[pittstonjoma]

Yes... When one is suicidal, the emotional pain is quite great.

[little_army_babe]

I had a great friend commit suicide when I was a senior in high school. Although I miss him like crazy I don't feel sorry for him. I don't think that there is any reason in this world great enough to try to commit suicide because whether you know the person or not there is always someone that cares. I've been through a lot and no matter what life has thrown at me I know some where deep inside that someone would have missed me when I was gone and that has stopped me. I've been through depression and I go through it on a regular basis. It's not pretty. But I also believe and I'm NOT trying to offend anyone that if you are stupid enough to try suicide instead of getting help then you deserve to do it again the right way!

[jettmotto]

thats what i was trying to say army babe.... if you think that you are the only person that gets depressed and you wanna kill yourself, think again everyone gets depressed i've thought about suicide, i also thought, liki said before, with my luck i wouldn't die:eek: and thats not the main reason that stopped me, its cos i wasn't being selfish! more people would have been depressed if i woulda done it and i thought THAT would be stupid.....making more people depressed and that what origainal made me depressed wasn't worth my life

[TheSecretKnight]

It's not necessarily important to every suicidal just having someone who cares. If a lover who you spent most of your day with, every day, died... seriously, would you care if you had some friend that cared abuot you? If someone you deeply admire, someone you cannot go 5 seconds without thinking about, betrays you, goes with someone else, and shoves the whole damned thing in your face... and you cannot think about them without feeling extreme emotional pain, without crying (that is, until you become dehydrated from all the tears you shed and can no longer cry)... 5 seconds without feeling this extreme... would you really care if you had a friend that cared, would you really care if friends or family missed you? People don't commit suicide because they want to be felt sorry for; they don't care if anyone finds them to be idiots 'cos of their taking of their own life, and they don't care if anyone misses them. They kill themselves 'cos they don't want to go through with living their lives anymore, and knowing what it's like to go through a period of time where you want to kill yourself, I can understand this.

[bread]

suicide confuses me. Why?:confused:

just seems pointless and selfish (if you know what you're doing, of course. You can't call people with mental health problems selfish.)

[jill]

:( i know from experience why someone would try to take their own life.I was deeply depressed about life and seen no hope in the future. well i didn't go to a mental hospital but when my friend ended her own life i realized i need to get better. now i'm on my way to college.:) so i hope i answered some of your questions. you can contact me by my email:divaprincess30@hotmail.com if ya'll have anymore questions

[little_army_babe]

I know from experience too but suicide is just the cowards way out.

[paulgro]

There was a case in the town I work in where a man called the police and said he was going to kill himself. He told them they would find him in his garage and to please get his body out of there before his wife got home so she wouldn't have to see it. He wasn't joking, he shot himself and died while on the phone with the dispatcher. They found out he did it because he lost his job and couldn't pay his bills and was about to lose his home. He thought his wife would collect the insurance on him and could pay everything off. Insurance companies have a suicide clause so she got nothing which means he killed himself for nothing. This wasn't a selfish man but a very depressed one....

[Serendipity]

A close friend of mine committed suicide a few years ago. ArmyBabe, I disagree that it's the coward's way out, or at least that isn't true in all cases. My friend lived under special circumstances (I don't wish to go into details in the public forums), and had some very specific reasons why he chose to do what he did. It still makes me weep to think of the courage he must have summoned to end his life, which finally proved less than the courage he needed to face the rest of his life. He phoned me the night before, and (although I didn't know it at the time) told me where to find his suicide message - I hope nobody here ever finds such a document.

To call someone who ends their own life a coward can easily stigmatise the family and friends of that person and make them feel as if they have failed. Guilt on top of grief is no fun and not helpful for an honest mother or a good friend. Even knowing this, it took me a long time to come to peace with my friend's death.

[little_army_babe]

I'm sorry to here that Serendipity but I still don't agree. I had a friend commit suicide and I suffered for a long time from it. I've thought about it. I've had a lot and I do mean a lot go wrong in my life but it don't make it easier on everyone around you to commit suicide. It just makes it harder. The only way not to be a victim is to be a survivor and I know that from things in my life that has went wrong. I've thought about suicide myself but I don't want to be known to family and friends as the person who couldn't handle life. Maybe that's just my way of thinking but I don't know. I'm not trying to offend anyone either.

[Dizbuster]

is a personal issue that, only the one struggling with it, can say whether it is justified or not.

As long as a person does take into account the consequences of what they are contemplating, and thinks through the results and ramifications of their actions, then the decision is really in their hands.
I can think of several "good" reasons that suicide would be preferrable over life, a very painful and wasting illness, loss of self, identity and function through derangement or disease.

The main problem is, most people do not take the time to analyse and consider their actions, so most of the people I know of who do kill themselves end up making a mistake, one they can't easily undo, which is the other point that they didn't seem to consider.

What do they say, act in haste, regret in leisure?

[jill]

lil army babe your right alittle! When i was about to end my life it felt like there was no hope,i felt like it didn't matter if i died.questions like would anyone care if i died?or if anyone would get hurt by this. some people aren't in their right mind,and might not be able to ask these questions.and they are so depressed they might not ask for help they need.i really hope you can understand what i am saying.it is hard to really understand unless you have gone through this rough and complicated time in most people's life especially teens.:(

[little_army_babe]

jill I was in a spot a couple of years ago where I didn't think life could possibly go on. I won't get into the story but I think that if people tried harder and cared a little more instead of a little less. And I know that it's easier to care a little less each time you get knocked down that somewhere, somehow things will be alright. The bad part is I did it with no help. I've been in every situation you can dream of and I know that even I have more to learn. Suicided isn't a way out.

I don't know who said it but

which that does not kill us, makes us stronger.

[Serendipity]

FYI: That which does not kill us, makes us stronger -
Friedrich Nietzsche. (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche/)

I'm with you insofar as suicide is not a way out that I would consider, no matter how tough it gets. But I cannot dismiss as cowards those who make the decision. Doubtless some are cowards, but some are in a genuinely hopeless position.

[The Empress]

If a person is truly suicidal then you would never know.
As to the question of why: Suicidal people are obviously depressed. Depression as a clinical disease clouds the judgement in the perosn who has it. A person very close to me suffers from Bi-polar disorder. He has a wife and children yet when he is depressed they don't even seem real to him. At times he is able to convince himself that they would be better off without them. He is not so far gone that he would act on the impulse yet. Depression is more than just sadness it puts a whole different slant on the suffers prespective.

[jettmotto]

ok one more post here then i'm done (suicide that is) just because the topic itself upsets me..........

if you or anyone you know is thinking about commiting suicide just think how can it get any worse.....being dead, yea. thats what i thought when i was suicidial "it can't possibly get anyworse, so that means it can only get better!" if you don't wanna look at it that way then quit talkin about it and do it!

:mad suicide makes me mad....grrrr:mad

[Serendipity]

I'd like to thank, ummm, a well-known member of this board for pointing this one out to me:

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[Dizbuster]

I never knew pastries was a choice?

maybe I will have to contemplate suicide more often!

[homer simpson voice] Hmmmmmmm, pastries [/end homer simpson voice]:lol :p

[xV35ballx]

I'd like to tell y'all a story, & see what y'all think. It's about a young lady that some of y'all may know quite well.

This young lady grew up in an abusive home. When she was in third grade, her grandmother, who was also her closest friend, died of cancer. As this young lady got older, things at home continued to get worse. She was molested by the son of a friend of her family's. Her younger sister always told her how worthless she was. In ninth grade, she developed anorexia. When she was in the tenth grade, she was sexually assaulted, almost raped, three times, in a period of less than five months. Several times she had thought about suicide, & had been all set to go for it, when something would happen to stop her. In the May following the sexaul assaults, she tried talking to her parents. They blamed her, saying it was her fault for breaking the rules. One day, after months & months of letting it build up, she couldn't take it any more. She didn't care if she lived or died, she just wanted the pain to stop. So she tried to kill herself by taking an OD. Her friends knew she was having problems, but nothing any of them said or did was able to ease this young lady's pain. A while after her unsuccessful suicide attempt (it's been 2 years now), she began to realize how many people truly need her. This renewed her resolve to live. And since then, she has not tried or even truly considered suicide as an option.

Any guesses as to who this young lady is? If you guessed that it's me, you're right. I've been through all of that, & more. Life hasn't exactly been a bowl of cherries for me, ya know? It's been a long, hard, difficult journey. I've had to fight tooth & nail to get where I'm at now. Some of y'all have said that suicide is a cowardly thing. Others of you have taken the opposite side. All I know for sure is that, at least in my case, those who consider &/or attempt/commit suicide are in extreme pain. Either physical or mental or emotional. Or maybe all of the above. Some of you claim that attempts are actually cries for attention. I disagree. I believe they are cries for help. There's a very distinct difference.

Something I find very intresting is this: I read semi-recently that a survey done among those who had attempted suicide & lived revealed that the vast majority instantly wished they hadn't tried, that they had changed their minds & wanted to live. That wasn't the case for me. I didn't care if I lived or died. I just wanted to stop hurting.

Anyways, I'm sorry for taking so much space. But I thought I'd share this, in the hopes that I might shed more light on the subject from the viewpoint of been there, done that.

[paulgro]

Thanks Tex...

[Monkeyz]

because my friend was put in the Insane place in the hospital, and it didn't help her. Just pissed her off more because she had to go there. She's still suicidal...

[aclu14]

We love you, Xball. :)

[Serendipity]

Yo XGrrl. I'm sure you know that despite any -*ahem*- flirtation, I can't say that I need you. But through your posts I can see you're someone who's worth a damn. So it should be no surprise that there are people who need you. :)

[xV35ballx]

You're welcome Paul. Thanks Aclu, I love all a' y'all too. And thank you Dippy, I appreciate it.

[Serendipity]

Big hugs for ya, XGrrl :)

[xV35ballx]

And big hugs right back at ya, Dippy. :)

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by jettmotto
i think suicide is stupid. i mean serieously what on earth, or in the whole universe for that matter is worth killing yourself?

I'll remind you of this post the day you get in the position where you don't see the use of staying alive anymore?

I have several people in my family who took their own lives. One is specifically worth mentioning, because it answers Jett's question.
My grandmother died of cancer a few weeks before I was born. A couple of years ago, her sister started to develop the symptons of cancer. The doctors said she had ostheoporosis, but deep down inside she knew she had cancer. She saw what my grandmother had to go through. She saw the suffering, the pain, what it does to other people, she saw everything. She knew she was going to die and she did not want to go the way my grandmother went. Because the doctors kept on saying she had ostheoporosis, she couldn't apply for euthanasia. She saw no other way out. One day, she stepped out of the window of her appartment on the 7th or 8th floor.

What we all have to understand, is that people who commit suicide are not sick. People who commit suicide are desperate. Talking diminutive about them is not only insulting, what is more important is that it's completely out of touch with reality.

[DV8]

Originally posted by jettmotto
i think suicide is stupid. i mean serieously what on earth, or in the whole universe for that matter is worth killing yourself?
Hey, you dont get out of life alive. So why not just speed it up a bit when it aint going right?