WELL. WELL. WIlson changed his story.

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that would be Joe Wilson, the loudmouthed democratic one time ambassador who screamed so loud and was loved by the prees for scereaming BUSH LIED!!!! when he did not say but was acussed of saying Saddam Hussein's Iraq had sought to buy uranium in Niger? Now Wilson has a book out, and it seems he's changing his story. The Washington Post reports:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54640-2004Apr29.html

It was Saddam Hussein's information minister, Mohammed Saeed Sahhaf, often referred to in the Western press as "Baghdad Bob," who approached an official of the African nation of Niger in 1999 to discuss trade--an overture the official saw as a possible effort to buy uranium. . . .
On the heels of Wilson's public criticism that intelligence was exaggerated and his statement that his trip to Niger had turned up no uranium sales to Iraq, agency Director George J. Tenet took the blame for allowing President Bush to make assertions about the Iraqi quest for nuclear material in his 2003 State of the Union address. Tenet said the intelligence had been too "fragmentary" to merit inclusion in the speech.

Tenet's statement noted that Wilson had reported back to the CIA that a former Niger official told him that "in June 1999 a businessman approached him and insisted that the former official meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Iraq and Niger. The former official interpreted the overture as an attempt to discuss uranium sales......."

In his book, Wilson recounts his encounter with the unnamed Niger official in 2002, saying, he "hesitated and looked up to the sky as if plumbing the depths of his memory, then offered that perhaps the Iraqi might have wanted to talk about uranium." Wilson did not get the Iraqi's name in 2002, but he writes that he talked to his source again four months ago, and that the former official said he saw Sahhaf on television before the start of the war and recognized him as the person he talked to in 1999.

Well well. What do ya know.Wilson was a cause célèbre for the left. Lets see how they bring THIS forward.

We sure dont see anyone screaming about this do we. Where are all the media and cameras? Just another back burner screwup no one wants to hear about.
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The meat of the issue is the forged documents and the outing of Plame. I don't get how this absolves any of that.

The official thought Sahhaf "might" have been suggesting buying uranium...maybe, perhaps, possibly, his interpretation, bla bla bla.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get your point. I understand that Wilson is bringing forth new information, but you're acting like it discredits Wilson. How?

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Originally posted by tigsnort
The meat of the issue is the forged documents and the outing of Plame. I don't get how this absolves any of that.

The official thought Sahhaf "might" have been suggesting buying uranium...maybe, perhaps, possibly, his interpretation, bla bla bla.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get your point. I understand that Wilson is bringing forth new information, but you're acting like it discredits Wilson. How? WELL WELL. Now tig changes tigs story.ALL that gripping and accussuing about there being no link for yellow cake and it was all a lie by Bush is now ...."well, it was about Plame and the forged documents. well Was his wife really "outed" we been there already.http://www.dumblaws.com/forums/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2394&highlight=Plame+wilson

http://www.dumblaws.com/forums/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2394&highlight=Wilson+Plame
Wilson lied through his teeth about there being a conection. The charge of some one releasing his wifes name just to discredit him is damaged being he really did lie and distort the fact such a meeting happened .That one document was questionable. The intell from the brits was not but everyone includding Wilson said it was all made up. A lie.

The report that was bogus was Wilson saying no such even ever occured. : "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." WILSON/. OOOppss!! Wilson lied. WHere are the screamers now. one more time.Think people. How could the wife {known wife} of an ambasador effectively be an undercover cia op. Especially when she was known to be employed by the CIA?

He was already discredited about Plame. Now he is about the uranium bit.

The meat is he quoted Brit intell, not forged documents. Wilson lied, his wife was already known .Wilson has repeatedly said there was no evidence that Iraq tried to acquire uranium from Niger. Today's revelation makes that out to be a lie -- a lie Wilson knew he was making. Why lie other than to score political points?

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Originally posted by DEAD ZONE
Wilson lied, his wife was already known .Wilson has repeatedly said there was no evidence that Iraq tried to acquire uranium from Niger. Today's revelation makes that out to be a lie -- a lie Wilson knew he was making. Why lie other than to score political points? This thread is just confusing.

Wilson was sent by the CIA to Africa to check out the Niger story. He reported back that the intelligence--based on the forged Niger documents--was bad.

This "new evidence" you present has to do with the Iraqi info minister meeting with some Niger dude and the Niger dude "having the feeling" that Comical Ali wanted to buy uranium, although he didn't actually say he wanted to buy it. The Niger official just got a feeling he might have been alluding...bla bla bla.

So Wilson was wrong and a liar for ignoring "evidence" of some guy having a "feeling"?

Also: you say everyone already knew about Plame. You're right. Many people did know about Plame, well before Novak's column, and that was because the scumbags in the white house made a point of making sure the news got out.

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Originally posted by tigsnort
This thread is just confusing.

Wilson was sent by the CIA to Africa to check out the Niger story. He reported back that the intelligence--based on the forged Niger documents--was bad.

This "new evidence" you present has to do with the Iraqi info minister meeting with some Niger dude and the Niger dude "having the feeling" that Comical Ali wanted to buy uranium, although he didn't actually say he wanted to buy it. The Niger official just got a feeling he might have been alluding...bla bla bla.

So Wilson was wrong and a liar for ignoring "evidence" of some guy having a "feeling"?

Also: you say everyone already knew about Plame. You're right. Many people did know about Plame, well before Novak's column, and that was because the scumbags in the white house made a point of making sure the news got out. Please dude. They knew about her because she drove to the CIA everyday for work.

Besides, read the article again. He said before there was NO evidence any meetings took place having to do with urasnium purchases. Now he admits thats exactly what the officials understood it to be for and he new it at the time he said there was no such meeting.Niger has no real commodety other than uranium and maybe sesame seeds.

He knew the nigerian offical beleived it was a meeting about uranium but he reported there was no such meeting or evidence. HE FLAT OUT LIED.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4880116/

MR. RUSSERT: George Tenet in a statement said that a Niger official did say to you there may have been discussions about a potential business dealings and maybe that could have been a suggestion of uranium.

AMB. WILSON: That's right. And, of course, as I put in the book, there was a meeting on the margins of an OAU summit between a senior Niger official and an Iraqi official who turns out to be the former minister of information, Baghdad Bob. At that meeting, uranium was not discussed. It would be a tragedy to think that we went to war over a conversation in which uranium was not discussed because the Niger official was sufficiently sophisticated to think that perhaps he might have wanted to discuss uranium at some later date.

Again: There's no evidence uranium was discussed between Sahhaf and the Niger official.

So if Wilson said there were no discussions about uranium, he was not lying.

Why are you so desperate to spin Wilson into being a liar on nothing, when you're so particular about other people who call Bush a liar? Why the big difference in standards between Wilson and Bush?

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Originally posted by tigsnort
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4880116/


Again: There's no evidence uranium was discussed between Sahhaf and the Niger official.

So if Wilson said there were no discussions about uranium, he was not lying.

Why are you so desperate to spin Wilson into being a liar on nothing, when you're so particular about other people who call Bush a liar? Why the big difference in standards between Wilson and Bush? That is not what he said which is clear tig.He said he talked with nigerian oficials an nothing was said about buying any or even the atempt. Now he says an official he talked to DID hint that that was the point and after he lied and sdaid none did. I will not repeat the obvious for you again.