This is just plain Wrong, disrespectful, and uncalled for!!!!!

[thegobblygooker]

I am so P'Oed over the disrespect that the liberal media and liberals in general have been treating Mr. Reagan and his death. All of a sudden liberals are saying nasty things about him and many underground democratic groups are rejoicing that he has died many of theses people saying things such as "I hoped He would die burning to a crisp" a liberal radio jockey played songs like "These Boots Are Made For Walking" and said how he planned to jump on Reagan's grave once he was buried.

One of the worst examples though was so-called ex-president Bill Clinton and wife who had the vile disrespect to sleep at Reagan's eulogy!

And let's not forget the protesters who celebrated Reagan's death as he was being driven down the street.

And then the liberals who say that everyone is making too big a deal out of Reagan's death and that there is more important news(which is bullcrap anyways)


This really ****** me ****** off!


You don't have to like the man, but to show such shallow, coldhearted hate-speech type of an attitude and such disgusting disrespect is UNFORGIVABLE!



He was a President of the United States and for that reason alone deserves everyone's respect.


To say nasty things about a man while he's alive is one thing but to do it when he's just died is WRONG!

[King Solomon]

We'll see if you feel the same way when Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter die.

[aclu14]

Well, he (Reagan) DID do nasty things and a lot of them.

[w1che]

You mean nasty like Clinton or some other way? :woof

[DustyBottoms]

Well gooker, I feel the same way as you do. But - If I were more like Ronald Reagan, I would try to understand them. :confused

[Ateo]

I haven't seen or heard about any of those examples you cite gobbly. I've heard frustration from people because a lot of mistruths have been circulated in the media about Reagan in an effort to glorify him--like he was the most popular pres (he was popular but not the most popular), that he had the highest presidential approval numbers coming out of office (again untrue), that he cut taxes (which he did but then he raised them higher, which they always leave out), reduced the size of gov't, etc. Reagan had enough positives to talk about, why make sh*t up?

And then the liberals who say that everyone is making too big a deal out of Reagan's death and that there is more important news(which is bullcrap anyways) I'd say the torture memo situation is MUCH more important than Reagan's death. In fact I think if Reagan were alive today he'd be outraged by it.

[King Solomon]

Originally posted by tigsnort
...reduced the size of gov't, etc...

Actually he increased the size of our Govt. by adding two more departments.

[sinecure]

Originally posted by King Solomon
Actually he increased the size of our Govt. by adding two more departments.

Actually, I've never seen an ultimate gain/loss balance sheet on this. It poses a good question.

Reagan DID reduce the size of the Federal Gov. ...and he DID add some stuff. In the final analysis, was there a net gain or loss? :question

[King Solomon]

Originally posted by sinecure
...Reagan DID reduce the size of the Federal Gov. ...and he DID add some stuff. In the final analysis, was there a net gain or loss? :question

Under Reagan the Federal Government grew by 61,000 employes while under Clinton the Federal Govt. shrunk by 373,000.

Also under Reagan nothing was done to correct the welfare system whereas under Clinton the system was restructured. We went from a one trillion dollar deficit to a four Trillion dollar deficit. Under Clinton we were left with a five Trillion dollar surplus. Reagan promised to close down the Energy and Education departments and instead opened up a new cabinet level department called the Department of Veteran's affairs.

It sounds more like Reagan was a Liberal in a Republican suit. I could go on... :toast

[sinecure]

I wonder... How much of that Clintonian shrinkage was due to a Republican Congress and the "Contract With America"?

It read, in part:

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;

SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;

FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;

SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT

A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out-of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.

2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT

An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.

3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT

Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.

4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT

Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.

5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT

A $500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.

6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT

No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.

7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT

Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.

8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT

Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.

9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT

"Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.

10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT

A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.

Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.

Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.

I don't think Clinton started out with a smaller Fed. govt in mind. Remember "HillearyCare"? :mad

[PlayCrackTheSky]

In reply to anyone who thinks the Prisoner thing is bigger then Reagans death...well i really cant say what i want. but come one reagan was one of the best presidents EVER, EVER. He had wit which nowadays is un heard of in a leader. We didnt just lose a Ex-President, he was what every man should be, he was deeply in love with his wife, I can only hope i marry someone like Nacy, never leaveing his side...

And Clinton was sleeping...

[w1che]

One if you need to add that most of Clinton's cuts in government were in the military and most of Reagan's gains were in the military..

[aclu14]

Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
In reply to anyone who thinks the Prisoner thing is bigger then Reagans death...well i really cant say what i want. but come one reagan was one of the best presidents EVER, EVER. He had wit which nowadays is un heard of in a leader. We didnt just lose a Ex-President, he was what every man should be, he was deeply in love with his wife,

Which wife?

[Sjax]

Look, the guy was 93. I hate to break this to you, but old people die. Anyone of us should consider usselves lucky, if we make it to 93. Therefore, best president or not, Reagans death is not the biggest news right now.

I disagree and dislike a lot of things that Reagan did, but he was the guy who opened up a dialogue with the Soviet union, helping the proces of glasnost and perestrojka initially leading to the fall of communism. You can't take that away from him.

[PlayCrackTheSky]

Which wife? Maybe the one who he was married to for 52 years who stayed with him to his death...

[jstnomega]

Originally posted by thegobblygooker

I am so P'Oed over the disrespect that the liberal media and liberals in general have been treating Mr. Reagan and his death.


Then you're just gonna luv this!

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1237593,00.html

Reagan, fact and fantasy

Greg Palast says condemnation, not praise, is ex-President's due

Sunday June 13, 2004
The Observer

You shouldn't speak ill of the dead. But in this case, I have to. Ronald Reagan was a conman. A coward. A killer.

In 1987 I found myself stuck in a little town in Nicaragua named Chaguitillo. The people were kind, though hungry, except for one surly young man. His wife had just died of tuberculosis. People don't die of TB if they get antibiotics. But Reagan had put a embargo on medicine to Nicaragua because he didn't like the government the people had elected.

As Ronnie was cracking those famous jokes, the lungs of that mother of three were filling up and drowning her.

And when Hizbollah terrorists murdered hundreds of United States marines in their sleep in Lebanon, the TV warrior with the B-movie grin ran from the scene like a whipped dog ... then turned around and invaded Grenada. That little Club Med war was a murderous PR stunt so that Ronnie could hold parades for gunning down Cubans building an airport.

I remember Nancy, in designer dresses, some of the 'gifts' that flowed to the Reagans - from hats to million-dollar homes - from cronies well compensated with government loot. It used to be called bribery.

The New York Times wrote that Reagan projected 'faith in small town America' and 'old-time values'. Values, my ***. It was union busting and a declaration of war on the poor and anyone who couldn't buy designer dresses. It was the New Meanness, bringing starvation back to America so that every millionaire could get another million.

And then, in the White House basement he condoned a coup d'état against an elected Congress. Reagan's Defence Secretary, Casper Weinberger, with the crazed colonel, Ollie North, plotted to give guns to the Monster of the Mideast, Ayatollah Khomeini.

Reagan's boys called Jimmy Carter a weenie and a wuss, although Carter wouldn't give an inch to the Ayatollah. Reagan, with that film-fantasy tough-guy con in front of the cameras, went to Khomeini to plead on bended knee for the release of our hostages.

Ollie North flew to Iran with a birthday cake for the maniac - no kidding - in the shape of a key. The key to Ronnie's heart.

Then the Reagan roaches added crime to cowardice: taking cash from the hostage-takers to buy guns for the 'Contras' - the drug runners of Nicaragua posing as freedom fighters.

In Chaguitillo, all night long, farmers stayed awake to guard their children from attack by Reagan's Contra terrorists. The farmers weren't even Sandinistas, those 'commies' that our cracked-brained President told us were 'only a 48-hour drive from Texas'.

Nevertheless, the farmers and their families were Ronnie's targets. And I remember in the deserted darkness of Chaguitillo, a TV blared. Weirdly, it was that third-rate gangster movie Brother Rat. Starring Ronald Reagan. Well, my friends, you can rest easier tonight: the Rat is dead. From me, Ronald Reagan, goodbye and good riddance.

· Greg Palast is author of the The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.

[Ateo]

Maybe Reagan didn't believe he was partly responsible for thousands of deaths in Central America. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the idea that his admin sold arms to terrorists in return for hostages. He may be innocent on that level. A nice old elderly gent caught up in the amoral machinizations of 80's Republican politics.

Or maybe he did know, but just didn't care. Felt the justness of the cause was worth it. Either way the facts are the facts.

[aclu14]

Sarcasm, Duo...

[Idnew]

Got busy again so way behind again. Here is a list of the popular presidents.

The following is a list of the individuals who have received the most popular votes for President. The figures are in millions.



1.
Richard Nixon 112.6

2.
Franklin D. Roosevelt 103.4

3.
Ronald Reagan 98.4

4.
Bill Clinton 90.5

5.
George Bush 87.0

6.
Jimmy Carter 76.3

7.
Dwight Eisenhower 69.4

8.
Adlai Stevenson 53.1

9.
Al Gore 51.0

10.
George W. Bush 50.5

11.
Thomas Dewey 44.0

12.
Lyndon B. Johnson 42.8

13.
Michael Dukakis 41.0

14.
Gerald Ford 39.1

15.
Bob Dole 37.8

16.
Walter Mondale 37.6

17.
Herbert Hoover 37.2

18.
John F. Kennedy 34.2

19.
Hubert Humphrey 30.9

20.
George McGovern 28.9

The following is a list of the individuals who have received the most votes for President in the Electoral College.

1.
Franklin D. Roosevelt 1,876
2.
Richard Nixon 1,040

3.
Ronald Reagan 1,015

4.
Dwight D. Eisenhower 899

5.
Bill Clinton 749

6.
Woodrow Wilson 712

7.
Grover Cleveland 664

8.
George Bush 594

9.
William McKinley 563

10.
Herbert Hoover 503

11.
Ulysses S. Grant 500

12.
Andrew Jackson 496

13.
William Jennings Bryan 493

14.
Lyndon B. Johnson 486

15.
Theodore Roosevelt 424

16.
James Monroe 414

17.
Warren Harding 404

18.
Abraham Lincoln 392

19.
Calvin Coolidge 382

20.
Benjamin Harrison 378

[Phreakmeister]

I haven't heard the remarks you cited, gobbly, but if they were indeed made (and I see no reason to doubt your words), I think they were indeed uncalled for. Nonetheless, I am happy (although 'happy' is not the right word) for Mr. Reagan that his suffering has ended. Under the given circumstances, death was unfortunately the best that could have happened to him.
Gobbly, do you have any examples of disrespect towards Ronald Reagan in mainstream media? Or were the remarks you quoted from mainstream media?

Idnew, do you know what the ranking in popular votes is in percentages? Because a comparison of absolute numbers is hard, because of the changing population rate in the US. Under Ronald Reagan (98.4 million votes), the US had less citizens than under Clinton (90.5 million votes), but more than under Franklin D. Roosevelt (103.4 million votes).