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Ateo
July 22nd, 2004, 04:43 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/politics/3495828/detail.html
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Dario Cruz has lived in the United States for 16 years, but just became a citizen last week as he and about 200 other immigrants were naturalized.


Dario Cruz takes citizenship oath at the University of North Florida last week.

One of the things he had always wanted to was register to vote, but when he was offered the chance to do that right outside the ceremony, he knew something wasn't right -- the place on the form where you're asked to choose Democrat, Republican or independent was already filled out.

"It's like one side," Cruz said. "You don't get to choose."

According to Cruz and his family, every form was checked off Republican.

It was something his wife, Linda Cross, first noticed. She said she asked what was going on, and was told the woman registering voters said they were with a Republican organization.

"I am Republican," she told Channel 4's Jim Piggott. "I was very angry with that if they want to register whatever party, you shouldn't try to dictate to people what party they are going to register; who they are going to vote for, because then you don't have any freedom."

The couple left without registering, but they did tell local Democratic Party officials what happened.

"These new citizens that were coming out and maybe did not know much of what was going on were all registering Republican," Cross said. "Not by choice, but by someone else's choice."

Clyde Collins, who runs the local Democratic Party, says this practice is not right, and as informed federal officials about the incident. They told him an investigation is underway.

"First of all, it violates your fundamental right," Collins said. "You have right to decide which political party you wish to enroll."

Collins says those who were sworn in last week will be contacted and told they have the right to register for the party of their choice.

For Cruz, that is what's important.

"I think you should be able to choose who you want to vote for," he said.

For the record, any registered voter can vote for any candidate of any party in a general election, but in most primaries in Florida, people can only vote for candidates of their own party.

Channel 4 has tried contracting federal officials about this issue since last Friday and have not received a response, nor have local Republican leaders responded. Folio Weekly will have more on this story in this week's paper.
Trying to take advantage of newly naturalized citizens. Pretty low stuff.

DustyBottoms
July 22nd, 2004, 05:44 PM
If it's true, I agree. (this time) It reflects badly on the idiots that prefilled the forms. (Not the GOP)

sinecure
July 22nd, 2004, 05:55 PM
Awwwwww.... the Dems are just pissed that they didn't think of it first... :wink

Like the "Van Pools" the Dems organize every election to take the homeless and "poor" downtown to vote [nevermind where they reside... we'll take you to our "special" polling place.] The risers get a heavyweight indoctrination on pro-Dem/anti-Repub politics and if they aren't registered, they sign 'em up in the van. They also take them to the Mission for food. Real helpful. :question

No.... the Repubs can't hold a candle to the Dems when it comnes to manipulation of voters and votes... just ask anybody from Chicago! :question :lol :lol

aclu14
July 22nd, 2004, 10:09 PM
Cheap shots all around. Ding ding ding. 'Cept for Dusty. :smash

w1che
July 22nd, 2004, 10:46 PM
Ahhhh another liberal rag sheet gets it all wrong for the braindeads.. Republicans register republicans and demorats register demorats and there is nothing illegal about that. I'm really sure they TOOK his choice away when he in fact made a choice by not signing the paper & they told him they were Republicans.

I'm sure Jessie Jackson's bunch & the labor unions sign up all kinds of Republicans when they have their voter registration drives. By the way just some free information, just because you sign a paper saying you're a democrat or Republican doesn't mean you have to vote that way in the general election & in most states not in the primaries. I would love to hear what the demorats tell these people when they do call them. More then likely it will go something like this. "You know that paper you signed the other day? Well they all got lost so we will bring you another paper to sign right away if you want to vote in November you best sign as a demorat."

Dumbie
July 23rd, 2004, 03:18 AM
It’s just another tactic used by the Bouncing Baby Bush to manipulated votes for his brother Dumbush. He just recently tried and failed to remove thousands of blacks from the voting lists, when caught he decided to cancel the scam, but to that point he had all ready spent more than a million dollars collecting and disparaging the voters.

There is a call for the UN to oversee the election process here because of the constant assault on the process and the fact that a lot of interference in the transition from punch card to computerize voting has resulted in substandard machines, or untested machines throughout the state. Even at the objection of the election commissioners the state, (baby Bush) would override the selection of machine to give their contributors the contracts. The Bush Mafia rules in Florida and the UN should get here as soon as possible, they will have their work cut out for them. :smash

PlayCrackTheSky
July 23rd, 2004, 06:39 PM
What the immigrants failed to realize was the democratic table was three steps to their left.

Any way whats the big deal? They can still vote for who ever they want...

And the stupid UN better not run our elections....

AWPrime
July 23rd, 2004, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
And the stupid UN better not run our elections....

No they will mearly check.

PlayCrackTheSky
July 23rd, 2004, 07:01 PM
Same thing though. This is the election for the President of the United States. Why should the UN be involved at all? Its a domestic thing IMO and they should just stay out of it all togeather.

AWPrime
July 23rd, 2004, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
Why should the UN be involved at all? Its a domestic thing IMO and they should just stay out of it all togeather.

Then why should they check any election (of any country) at all?


They may keep both parties from doing any dirty tricks.

Dumbie
July 24th, 2004, 06:59 AM
Same thing though. This is the election for the President of the United States. Why should the UN be involved at all? Its a domestic thing IMO and they should just stay out of it all togeather.
duo
If just this state had oversight in 2000 Bush would be somewhere in Texas.
The facts are very clear if you live here, the election WAS stolen in Florida.
His Brother Jeb seen to it!

Idnew
July 24th, 2004, 07:57 AM
Clyde Collins, who runs the local Democratic Party, says this practice is not right, and as informed federal officials about the incident. They told him an investigation is underway.

Agree with you sin they are just mad that they didn't think of it first :lol

Now did we just get a bunch of new citizens that are that stupid to not know who and who not they can vote for and nobody forced them to sign anything and certainly they should know they can go to the voters registration office and register however they like.

PlayCrackTheSky
July 24th, 2004, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Dumbie
duo
If just this state had oversight in 2000 Bush would be somewhere in Texas.
The facts are very clear if you live here, the election WAS stolen in Florida.
His Brother Jeb seen to it!

Still crying about that?

Then why should they check any election (of any country) at all?

Dont they only do that for countries that had thrown out dictators and such?

AWPrime
July 24th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
Dont they only do that for countries that had thrown out dictators and such?

No, they do that with countries if any group with a reasonable argument asks them to do it.

You should note that they can't regulate your election, they primary check elections to prevent dirty tricks.


I can understand that you feel slightly insulted but if there isn't anything to find then they won't find anything.

PlayCrackTheSky
July 24th, 2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by AWPrime
No, they do that with countries if any group with a reasonable argument asks them to do it.

You should note that they can't regulate your election, they primary check elections to prevent dirty tricks.


I can understand that you feel slightly insulted but if there isn't anything to find then they won't find anything.

The way dumbie was talking it sounded like they where going to count every vote. I dont think anything "dirty" will be found.

DEAD ZONE
July 24th, 2004, 03:52 PM
Not to justify this discusting act but.

Using voting data for presidential elections from 1976 to 2000, this paper documents an unusual and large drop off in Republican voting rates for Florida's western Panhandle during the 2000 general elections. Little change appears to have occurred in the rate that non-Republicans voted. The results appear more consistent with the early call that Democrats affected Republican voting rates than the networks discouraging all voters from voting by incorrectly calling the polls closed in the western Panhandle.

pdf down load at the bottom.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=276278