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BeetleJuice
March 26th, 2002, 03:26 PM
From CNN.com.......Class action lawsuit seeks billions for slave reparations
March 26, 2002 Posted: 2:41 PM EST (1941 GMT)




From Peter Viles
CNN Money Correspondent

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Attorneys for a former law student, who discovered evidence linking U.S. corporations to the slave trade, filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday that could seek billions of dollars in reparations for the descendants of slaves in America.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Brooklyn names FleetBoston Financial, the railroad firm CSX and the Aetna insurance company, and promises to name up to 100 additional corporations at a later date.

It accuses the companies of conspiracy, human rights violations, unjust enrichment from their corporate predecessors' roles in the slave trade and conversion of the value of the slaves' labor into their profits.

"These are corporations that benefited from stealing people, from stealing labor, from forced breeding, from torture, from committing numerous horrendous acts, and there's no reason why they should be able to hold onto assets they acquired through such horrendous acts," said Deadria Farmer-Paellmann, the main plaintiff in the lawsuit.

Farmer-Paellmann said she learned of Aetna's role in insuring slaves in legal classes, and then asked Aetna for old policies documenting the practice, which Aetna provided to her.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of 35 million African-Americans. It seeks financial payments for the value of "stolen" labor and unjust enrichment and calls for the companies to give up "illicit profits." The plaintiffs are also seeking compensatory and punitive damages.

The lawsuit does not seek a specific dollar amount, but estimates slaves performed as much as $40 million worth of unpaid labor between 1790 and 1860. The current value of that labor could be as high as $1.4 trillion

The lawsuit alleges that Aetna's corporate predecessor "insured human slave owners against the loss of their human chattel."

In response, Aetna released a statement saying, "We do not believe a court would permit a lawsuit over events which -- however regrettable -- occurred hundreds of years ago. These issues in no way reflect Aetna today."

The lawsuit notes that FleetBoston is a successor to Providence Bank, which it says was founded by Rhode Island slave trader John Brown. FleetBoston had no immediate comment on the suit.

The suit alleges that CSX, based in Richmond, Virginia, is a successor to numerous railroads that were built or run, at least in part, by slave labor.

In a statement, CSX said the suit is "wholly without merit and should be dismissed. The claimants named CSX because slave labor was used to construct portions of some U.S. rail lines under the political and legal system in place more than a century before CSX was formed in 1980."

Slave reparations have been a controversial issue. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll conducted last month found a wide difference of opinion on the issue between black and white respondents.

Nine out of 10 white respondents said the government should not make cash payments to slave descendants while 6 percent said it should.

Among black respondents, 55 percent said the government should make cash payments and 37 percent said it should not.

The poll surveyed 1,001 adults -- 820 of them white and 146 black -- February 8-10. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 9 percentage points for black respondents and plus or minus 4 percent points for white respondents. The percentages differ because of the difference in the number of people surveyed.

The same people were asked if corporations that made profits from slavery should apologize to African-Americans. Among blacks, 68 percent said they should while 23 percent said they should not. Among whites, 32 percent said they should and 62 percent said they should not.

Three-fourths of black respondents said the companies should set up scholarship funds for descendants of slaves and 20 percent said they should not. Among white respondents, 35 percent of respondents said they favored the scholarship funds while 61 percent said they were opposed.
Gimme a break......



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March 26th, 2002, 09:43 PM
We all agree that the events of the past were very horrendous, but to punish those who had no part in committing the acts and rewarding those who aren't treated horrifically at all anymore? Personally I find the whole thought to be disgusting, as most of the persons the suit is claimed to be on behalf of will barely receive a cash reward - most will go to the lawyers....

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paulgro
March 27th, 2002, 01:57 AM
Well said, Jeff...

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CBranski
March 27th, 2002, 06:06 PM
This suit has nothing to do with justice, but it has everything to do with a Jesse Jackson style shakedown. The benefits of such an action will go to people who are already wealthy-laywers. (As Jeff already noted.)

Such a suit has far reaching ramifications: I don't think it much of a stretch to think some laywer to say that companies profited from racism after slavery ended. For example, he/she could say that Sears profited from racism because their stores in Alabama sold Kenmore appliances to members of the KKK in the early 60's. Don't laugh-that's the same logic used in the suit first mentioned!

As for the CSX suit, will they share the proceeds with families of Hispanics, Asians, and Irish forced to work on their railroads?

Again, nothing more than a shakedown that will further divide the races in this country...

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Phreakmeister
March 29th, 2002, 01:37 PM
Same happened with all the money that would supposedly go to Jews who had suffered in WW2. 90% of the money stays in the hands of 1 single company, the remaining 10% is divided under millions of people who suffered from the Nazi's. Disgusting. I have no other word for it.

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Idnew
March 30th, 2002, 08:59 AM
Funny I just finished watching a debate on CNN about this. Both the debaters were black. The one that was against this lawsuit said they should just be proud of what they have acomplished and not keep going backwards to what their ancesters went through. If not for slaves being brought here the blacks would still be uneducated jungle people.

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Phreakmeister
March 30th, 2002, 04:23 PM
The slaves were horribly mistreated. I'm ashamed to say that the Dutch were world leaders in slave trade. Slavery is the worst kind of economic activity, and one of the worst human "activities" on the planet.

But what can money change about that? In what kind of a world are we living, if our suffering is expressed in money? How sick have we become????

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BeetleJuice
April 1st, 2002, 01:56 PM
Lest we forget, Africans also sold Africans as slaves to slavers. How far back do we go with this??????

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Phreakmeister
April 1st, 2002, 02:14 PM
Then we also gotta sue God for creating the slaves http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

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April 1st, 2002, 03:42 PM
While many times Africans might have been snatched from their homes in West Africa, but kidnapping away a full-grown male is often difficult... Even during the slave-trade in the 1800s, rival African chiefs would sell captured enemies to the Europeans...

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Phreakmeister
April 1st, 2002, 05:14 PM
True, so why only blame Europeans?

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CBranski
April 2nd, 2002, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Phreakmeister:
True, so why only blame Europeans?



It's simple: Europe and the US have more money than African nations. Even if we were to find an African nation "guilty" of complicity in the slave trade, they have no money to pay anyone. In fact, many African nations have floated the idea of getting reparations from Europe and the US. Only supports my contention that this is a cash grab...

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