Shoplifing mom sues

[BeetleJuice]

I'm trying to find verification to this story I heard on a talk radio station yesterday.
The gist of the story is, a woman was observed shoplifting. Stealing. However you want to put it in a grocery store. She is chased by employees. She jumps in car. She wrecks car killing her 9 year old daughter.
She is now suing the store for its employees chasing her too aggressivly. She states that had the emplyees not chased her so, she woould not have wrecked, therefore her daughter would not have been killed.

For myself, had she not been stealing in the first place she would not have been chased, ergo, her daughter would not have been killed. If it were a case of hunger, then theres the possibility of the store not pressing charges and GIVING her food.

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[~wildangel~]

That is really sad...

She should not be able to sue the store though, that is dumb. I do feel so sorry for that poor little girl that had to suffer not only her mother being chased for theft and then suffering death http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/frown.gif What kind of mother does that to her child http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/mad.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[little_army_babe]

If it is a fact that she and her daughter were hungry and that she didn't have any money to buy food then why wasn't she on welfare and if she was then what did she do sell her groceries and what did she sell them for? But anyways I have to agree and say that it's the fault of the mother and not the store. Mothers' like that shouldn't have kids!

[RayH]

I sort of agree with the mother--she should be able to steal anything she wants without fear of prosecution!

[Monkeyz]

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[~wildangel~]

If they followed her, it should have been a slow pursuit, KNOWING she had a child in the car! They never have high speed pursuits when a child is involved!:mad

[weldordave]

Wildangle got it right with the mother being wrong for putting her child in that situation. I think the mother should be charged with shoplifting plus reckless endangerment plus manslaughter.

[Idnew]

I agree they should throw the book at her and was her child wearing a seat belt? Were the employees chasing her on foot or did they all jump in vehicles to chase her. I think not.

[kontulib]

What a idiot the mom was. What is penalty for shoplifting? And what is penalty for endangerment and manslaughter?
And the shop employees have a right to try capture shoplifters so they are doing nothing wrong! :mad

[~wildangel~]

It's the moms fault which ever way you look at it! She is the one that brought on the situation, in any way shape or form. She put her child in such a situation knowing full well of the risks involved:(

[Phreakmeister]

I so hope this is a hoax...

I hope the mother is charged with 2nd degree murder or something. She needs caned. That is sad, but the child will never have to worry about her mothers neglect anymore.

[Misfit]

B/S to almost every response here, except maybe the one that at least acknowledged that it should have been a slow-speed chase.

Shoplifting is bad. That said, the punishment should fit the crime. I don't know the details of the story other than what is posted here, but no merchandise (loss to the store -- bottom line is it's all about the bottom line) is worth jeopardizing lives. Not that of the mother, not that of the child, not that of the unsespecting public who is endangered by a high-speed chase, not that of the cops.

Yes, we know the ancient arguments against shoplifting. We all pay the price because the stores have to raise prices, blah, blah, blah. But how that -- loss of inanimate merchandise -- warrants putting lives in danger I fail to grasp.

[Sjax]

Misfit: you seem to forget two things here:
1: The store clercs didnt chase the mother because they wanted her to reck the car and kill her daughter.
2: Noone forced her to make a high speed chase. She took the escape herself.

[Misfit]

What, the store clerks didn't have a mind off their own? It was their choice to engage into a high-speed chase with her. They didn't have to follow her lead. If she had decided to drive off a cliff, would they have mindlessly followed her as well? They used bad judgment. Even the OJ chase took place in slow motion (presumably so as to not endanger anyone), and he was wanted for murder. Shoplifting? Give me a break.

[FTale]

I don't know, but I think this is what happened:

The woman tries to steal food. She succeeds, but the clerks in the shop notice this and run after her, so they're all on foot. The woman runs to her car, where the kid is waiting.

The woman, fearing that the clerks get her, starts the engine and drives away as fast as she can. She then wrecks the car and the little girl dies.

Like Idnew said, I don't think anyone else than the woman drove a car in this situation. She just was so panicked, that she wrecked the car, not because she was pushed off the road or something. I think the moment she drove away the clercks stopped. Who would chase a car by foot? A clerck who gets minimum wage from the shop? Don't think so.

[Misfit]

They chased her on foot? :confused: Now that's a different story. I just assumed all along that they chased her in a car. In that case, maybe the store shouldn't get sued. And by the same token, she shouldn't get punished. She lost her CHILD, for chrissake. She's going to have to live with that agony for the rest of her life. I think she's been punished enough.

[FTale]

That's at least what I think, I don't know if it's true... and I guess you're right, she's been punished enough. If she even cares...

[RayH]

What makes you think she actually cares she lost her child. Maybe only because in some instances the child was the parent's meal ticket.

[Phreakmeister]

Originally posted by Misfit
She lost her CHILD, for chrissake. She's going to have to live with that agony for the rest of her life. I think she's been punished enough.

But is the death of that child the fault of the store or of the woman? Does the fact that she lost her child immunize her from prosecution, or does it give her the right to put the blame on others?