A political quote

[ZenziC]

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Want to guess who said it?

[w1che]

I give up.. What president would call a group of American people stupid ??? Got me because I have never heard one do that. 99.9% of the time Presidents use the term misguided..

[ZenziC]

Originally posted by w1che
I give up.. What president would call a group of American people stupid ??? Got me because I have never heard one do that. 99.9% of the time Presidents use the term misguided..

I'm going to wait until more people vote in the poll

[Serendipity]

I know who said it, but I believe he wrote it in a private letter to his brother.

[sinecure]

As I recall, it was said during a bout of malarial fever by a Prez who was definitely out-of-his-head.

...or as a joke.

...or it was written on a restroom wall at a Oklahoma truckstop, but quoted in the Congressional Record by an opposition Legislator from "across the aisle."

Whatever, it's a load of BS.

[ZenziC]

Originally posted by sinecure
As I recall, it was said during a bout of malarial fever by a Prez who was definitely out-of-his-head.

...or as a joke.

...or it was written on a restroom wall at a Oklahoma truckstop, but quoted in the Congressional Record by an opposition Legislator from "across the aisle."

Whatever, it's a load of BS.

Oh ok, Sin.

All I can say that one of those names are right! :lol

[DustyBottoms]

Two-term Republican president Dwight D. Eisenhower once wrote, “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again"

The above is the entire quote....

This he did not say:

There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

[w1che]

Z is busted again... By the way Eisenhower was right in what he really said..

[Idnew]

Oh shame on you Zen. You should know by now that everything you post will be fully checked out as best it can be.:cool Well anyway I guessed wrong.

[Ateo]

Originally posted by DustyBottoms
Two-term Republican president Dwight D. Eisenhower once wrote, “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again"

The above is the entire quote....

This he did not say:

There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. You're wrong. He did say it, only the above quote is a few words off. The exact quote:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again.... There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H.L. Hunt...a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."


So shame on nobody, Idnew. You should check your facts before "shaming" people.

[DustyBottoms]

I stand before you with head bowed and in great shame. :cry :o :confused

Dwight Eisenhower wrote his brother Edgar on May 2, 1956: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again.... There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H.L. Hunt...a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

[ZenziC]

Yep it's Eisenhower.

Interesting.

[w1che]

Let's back up on this shame thing here.. Z wrote this... Want to guess who said it?

The question should have been.. Guess who wrote the the above in a letter.. Someone writing something in a private to his brother is a heck of a lot different than than him saying it .

I can see why you libs don't have a problem with those New York Liberal Times poll numbers..

Sir-Dip got it right & even he knew the difference...

[Ateo]

It's pretty sad the way you rely so much on semantics there wunch. :rolleyes That all you got?

[DustyBottoms]

Hey guys, I was wrong.. I admit it. Admitting a mistake is the first step to not making another one!:lol

Admitting a mistake is also foreign to most liberal posters around here. :wink

[Ateo]

Admitting a mistake is also foreign to most liberal posters around here. I challenge you to point to an example where a similiar mistake was made on the liberal side and the liberal in question refused to acknowledge. I've seen Zen admit to mistakes, and I've done it myself.

What's sad is the way W1che and Idnew just jumped on board without checking the facts. You deserve props though DB. :wink

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by tigsnort
I challenge you to point to an example where a similiar mistake was made on the liberal side and the liberal in question refused to acknowledge. I've seen Zen admit to mistakes, and I've done it myself.

What's sad is the way W1che and Idnew just jumped on board without checking the facts. You deserve props though DB. :wink

That is why I said "most"... Zen tried to cheat and edited her post rather than admit....

You on the other hand have admitted to errors in your vitriolified hatebushified hardheadified past. :wink

[sinecure]

Ike was wrong about a LOT of stuff....

...how many troops do we STILL have in S. Korea?

:question

Whether he wrote it in a private letter to a relative, or SAID IT in a setting that was likely to be reported is significant, however...

[w1che]

Ike could very well have written about his sex life in a letter to his brother. To say he said it.. Was misleading at best.. But .. What's new when it comes to you liberals...

[Idnew]

Admitting a mistake is also foreign to most liberal posters around here Yeppers it is.So shame on nobody, Idnew. You should check your facts before "shaming" people. Haven't got time to check all the a lot of time altered facts around here, but shame on you DB and shame on me for saying shame on Zen:wink

[ZenziC]

Um ok... I know I've admitted making a mistake several times (even the post Dusty claims that I "cheated" BUT I admitted that I had made a mistake and played a bit with that).

Before this post... I've never seen one of the cons admit to a mistake (w1 even! he won't admit that he made the mistake and blames me for semantics). Sinecure and w1 are notorious for not admitting to mistakes, instead using sidesteps and circle jerks to cover their mistakes. Or simply not answering the thread anymore.

Anyway, on the semantics bit... people refer to the word "say" or "said" when they read a letter. "Look what it says here!"

In essence, Eisenhower "said" it. He wrote it though but he said it to his brother. It's so funny that w1 attempts to argue semantics with me when he gets caught with his trousers down.

[w1che]

When a third person speaks of what was written in a letter the proper way of stating that is.. So & So wrote in a letter to his brother or who wrote this?

If you recieve a letter you can use wrote or said.. As.. I received a letter & Joe said or Joe wrote..

Your question was misleading..

[Sjax]

Originally posted by w1che
When a third person speaks of what was written in a letter the proper way of stating that is.. So & So wrote in a letter to his brother or who wrote this?

If you recieve a letter you can use wrote or said.. As.. I received a letter & Joe said or Joe wrote..

Your question was misleading.. If anybody should wonder why I don't attend this board so often anymore, this one pretty much sums it up.
It's not just you, Wunch, it just seems to me that this board has become nothing but discussion about how you discuss. It used to be the substance of the subject, now it's just who is european, who is american, who is liberal, who is conservative, who said what, how and when and frankly I don't think that is all that fun.

[w1che]

What would you like to talk about Sjax? Start your own thread & I promise I won't post on it & that way you can talk about anything you want to without having to read what I have to say.

I think you may find a few others on here that may object to you bashing America every time you post like you did at one time but that will be between them & you..

Start posting or stop blaming..

[ZenziC]

Originally posted by Sjax
If anybody should wonder why I don't attend this board so often anymore, this one pretty much sums it up.
It's not just you, Wunch, it just seems to me that this board has become nothing but discussion about how you discuss. It used to be the substance of the subject, now it's just who is european, who is american, who is liberal, who is conservative, who said what, how and when and frankly I don't think that is all that fun.

I actually do agree with Sjax here. Especially on the horse thread. I mean it's nice to discuss about what happened to the horse but w1's first post on that thread was basically:

"Liberals, abortion, hypocrites."

And Jennifer Wilbanks: She's a liberal because she looks weird.

Rosie, Tig, Idnew are some of the people who actually discuss what is on the topic. In the process I actually find that I have some things in common with Id (on the abortion thread!).

[sinecure]

Originally posted by ZenziC
Um ok... I know I've admitted making a mistake several times (even the post Dusty claims that I "cheated" BUT I admitted that I had made a mistake and played a bit with that).

Before this post... I've never seen one of the cons admit to a mistake (w1 even! he won't admit that he made the mistake and blames me for semantics). Sinecure and w1 are notorious for not admitting to mistakes, instead using sidesteps and circle jerks to cover their mistakes. Or simply not answering the thread anymore.

Anyway, on the semantics bit... people refer to the word "say" or "said" when they read a letter. "Look what it says here!"

In essence, Eisenhower "said" it. He wrote it though but he said it to his brother. It's so funny that w1 attempts to argue semantics with me when he gets caught with his trousers down.

You never admitted anything in the DoD thread...

http://www.thedumb.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4229&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

in fact, you did exactly what you accuse others of... just went away, never to post again. If only I could discover what it was that caused that...:lol

Show me where I made a mistake and didn't acknowledge it..... please.

You see, Dull Child... just because you can ]imagine it doesn't make it so...

edited to add thread link

[sinecure]

Originally posted by Sjax
If anybody should wonder why I don't attend this board so often anymore, this one pretty much sums it up.
It's not just you, Wunch, it just seems to me that this board has become nothing but discussion about how you discuss. It used to be the substance of the subject, now it's just who is european, who is american, who is liberal, who is conservative, who said what, how and when and frankly I don't think that is all that fun.

You know, Sjax... when I first came here it was a bunch of Euros bad-mouthing the US at the slightest opportunity, and discussing stuff that **I** had no interest in.

Apparently, the pendulum has swung. :wink

One of the reasons the English-speaking peoples have done so well and gone so far is due to the precision of the language. [although it's often very difficult to determine by reading what is posted here by some of the native-speakers!] So, if you're bored with the discussion of how we discuss, and are wondering why we do so, it's because most of our terminology has a very strict meaning, and misuse [either accidental or purposeful] can fog meaning.

Start your own thread[s] and I'll stay away from them..

[w1che]

Quote from Z... I actually do agree with Sjax here. Especially on the horse thread. I mean it's nice to discuss about what happened to the horse but w1's first post on that thread was basically:

"Liberals, abortion, hypocrites."
>>>>>>>>>

It was my thread & for the 10th time.. The thread wasn't about the horse.. The horse story was a prop to show that liberals are hypocrites and it did the job very well..

Yeah, I know you liberal don't like it when people call you what you are but you should really stop being ashamed of what you stand for.. America rejects your philosophy and I reject your philosophy, so take it like a trooper and move on..

[ZenziC]

Originally posted by w1che
Quote from Z... I actually do agree with Sjax here. Especially on the horse thread. I mean it's nice to discuss about what happened to the horse but w1's first post on that thread was basically:

"Liberals, abortion, hypocrites."
>>>>>>>>>

It was my thread & for the 10th time.. The thread wasn't about the horse.. The horse story was a prop to show that liberals are hypocrites and it did the job very well..

Yeah, I know you liberal don't like it when people call you what you are but you should really stop being ashamed of what you stand for.. America rejects your philosophy and I reject your philosophy, so take it like a trooper and move on..

Seriously w1, even Rosie and Idnew didn't get how the horse thread was related liberals and abortion, as evidenced in their posts in that thread. I thought it was one of the stupidest threads ever started by you, I mean it merits one post on the horse breaking its neck on a movie set but linking it to the alleged hypocrisy just brought it to a whole new level of debauchery.

I mean I don't mind arguing with Republicans (two of my good friends from school are Republican (even my best friend who moved to Boston) and a couple of classmates, who I talk to in class and the pub, are Republicans.). But I absolutely abhor the name-calling and snide comments towards me and my Republican friends don't call me names when we argue why we chose our respective parties. It's actually quite cordial. They usually agree with me and I sometimes agree with them and see why they choose to be Republican.

I actually picked the quote just to see what you, w1, would do. The correct way to say what is in a letter is "look what he says here." It's a way of talking to people (writing letters). And what do you do? You attack semantics without even discussing what Eisenhower said.

The Eisenhowers now hate Bush, even Richard Nixon's daughters (one who's married to Eisenhower's grandson). They don't like Bush because Bush isn't following the Republican Party ideals as you can see from President Eisenhower's statements. It just goes to show that the Republican Party has changed. I think it changed after Nixon's term really.

I'm not saying that Nixon was a good president but consider this: He worked with China, passed Title IX, recognised Earth Day, made abortion legal. Even though he was a Republican, some actions of his were liberal and his party started to break away from Nixon's views (to pretty much reinvent itself after the scandal).

It's just interesting to look at what Republican Presidents thought in the 20th century and compare to what Bush is doing now. Clinton, admittedly, went against some Democrat ideals (stealing the Republican ideas such as balancing the budget) and actually reinvented the Democrat Party as social liberal (he put the first woman attorney General) and fiscal conservative. This is the same view that Howard Dean also emphasises.

It's interesting that's all.

[w1che]

Seriously w1, even Rosie and Idnew didn't get how the horse thread was related liberals and abortion, as evidenced in their posts in that thread. I thought it was one of the stupidest threads ever started by you, I mean it merits one post on the horse breaking its neck on a movie set but linking it to the alleged hypocrisy just brought it to a whole new level of debauchery. .I'm not responsible for what Idnew & Rosie think and you can give me a break on the debauchery.

I mean I don't mind arguing with Republicans (two of my good friends from school are Republican (even my best friend who moved to Boston) and a couple of classmates, who I talk to in class and the pub, are Republicans.). But I absolutely abhor the name-calling and snide comments towards me and my Republican friends don't call me names when we argue why we chose our respective parties. It's actually quite cordial. They usually agree with me and I sometimes agree with them and see why they choose to be Republican. .So you have some friends that say they are republican but they usually agree with you & you sometimes agree with them..Ok

I actually picked the quote just to see what you, w1, would do. The correct way to say what is in a letter is "look what he says here." It's a way of talking to people (writing letters). And what do you do? You attack semantics without even discussing what Eisenhower said. .I agree with what Eisenhower WROTE and that doesn't change that FACT that your question was misleading.

The Eisenhowers now hate Bush, even Richard Nixon's daughters (one who's married to Eisenhower's grandson). They don't like Bush because Bush isn't following the Republican Party ideals as you can see from President Eisenhower's statements. It just goes to show that the Republican Party has changed. I think it changed after Nixon's term really. .My Dad was a stanch Democrat, so who the kids like has no bearing on anything.

I'm not saying that Nixon was a good president but consider this: He worked with China, passed Title IX, recognised Earth Day, made abortion legal. Even though he was a Republican, some actions of his were liberal and his party started to break away from Nixon's views (to pretty much reinvent itself after the scandal). .I'm for working with China, I like Title IX, I,m all for Earth Day but Nixon didn't make abortion legal.

It's just interesting to look at what Republican Presidents thought in the 20th century and compare to what Bush is doing now. Clinton, admittedly, went against some Democrat ideals (stealing the Republican ideas such as balancing the budget) and actually reinvented the Democrat Party as social liberal (he put the first woman attorney General) and fiscal conservative. This is the same view that Howard Dean also emphasises. .Nothing wrong with a woman attorney General. Just not the woman Clinton picked.

It's interesting that's all.
You find what interesting?

[Sjax]

Originally posted by the two old grumpy conservatives
Make your own threads, and we won't post in there
I do. Here (http://www.bold.dk/snak/) and here (http://www.hertha-inside.de/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi).
The thing is, that I actually used to enjoy discussing with you guys. Sure we had our differences, but that is what arguments and discussions are all about. I would be bashing America, and you would be bashing Europe, but at least we would be discussing. I enjoyed that because I - as a euroweenie - don't meet your point of view all that often in my everyday life. That gave me a chance to discuss something with someone with a totally different opinion and philosophy of life than me, but whome I still respected.
Now if anybody starts a thread it gets killed before it starts. Killed by personal attacks, killed because both euros and americans, both liberals and conservatives acuse eachother of being biased or just plain stupid. I am not pointing fingers here, I am not even saying that I am not to blame myself. I just think it is a pity. It really used to be a lot of fun.

[Idnew]

Now if anybody starts a thread it gets killed before it starts. Killed by personal attacks, killed because both euros and americans, both liberals and conservatives acuse eachother of being biased or just plain stupid You noticed that did you? I agree. Seems everybody has to be right without giving one inch to the other side.