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March 10th, 2002, 02:56 PM
Hi all, I found an old discussion about the purpose of an official national language in the USA. Since nobody has replied to it in a while, I thought I'd re-start the debate.

This is a complex issue and it's impossible to please everyone. It's an issue influenced by identity, tradition, the economy, and politics. The logical purpose for having an official language in any country is unity; so that everyone can qualify for the same kinds of jobs, attend the same schools, and so that everyone can understand legal documents and receive the same public services.

Trying to be multicultural and maintain 2 or more official languages creates as many problems as maintaining only 1 official language.

I'm an American citizen living permanently in Finland, which has 2 official languages (Finnish and Swedish). I once taught children's English language total-immersion clubs at a stuffy, old-fashioned, pretentious Swedish-speaking grade school in Helsinki. I was working for a private company which sends teachers to conduct the clubs at various schools, so I was an employee of the company, not of any particular school. The company director insisted that we teachers speak nothing but English during the club sessions. Well, at that Swedish-speaking school, many of the children rebelled and refused to communicate with me in English. In desperation, I started speaking some Finnish one day in an effort to win their respect, because I do not speak any Swedish. To my relief, most of the dissident ones started behaving better and I thought the problem was solved. Well, the principal's daughter was in the club, and she revealed to her parents that "the teacher often speaks Finnish during the lessons". Not long afterwards I got a call from the company director telling me that the principal would not tolerate the use of Finnish by English club teachers, and basically that if I continued to do so, they'd replace me.

I have also heard numerous stories of discrimination and abuse endured by Finnish-speakers living in Sweden, and by Swedish-speakers living in Finland. One case involved Swedish-speakers trying to drown a Finnish-speaking classmate at a grade school in Sweden. There are countless jokes about how one group is fundamentally superior to the other, etc etc.


I could go on and on but I think you get the point. This kind of thing happens all over Europe. So where on earth do people get the impression that Americans are the only ethnocentric population? Do non-Americans simply ignore the clashing attitudes at home?

aclu14
March 14th, 2002, 09:05 PM
The official language is English, but there's also Spanish, French, and German.

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March 14th, 2002, 09:50 PM
For simplicity sake, I would prefer there to be one national language, and since the majority of the population speaks English in the US, English should be the official language in my opinion...

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Phreakmeister
March 15th, 2002, 06:49 AM
1) If you say that, then in a couple of years the official language of the US will have to be changed to Spanish

2) English only nearly became the official language of the US. A lot of the Founding Fathers saw English as the language of the tyrant. They wanted Dutch to become the official language of the US.

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Enforcer
March 15th, 2002, 03:27 PM
In fact when they had first colonised a big part of america 1 vote in some kind of council would have made a tie between Dutch and English and two votes would have made that Dutch would be the official languange...
And we'd propably all be postin in dutch right now

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March 15th, 2002, 11:50 PM
Well I live in the South, and there aren't too many Spanish speakers around here (maybe 5% MAX I would estimate...). So Spanish as the dominant language down here would not be in the forseeable future.

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weldordave
March 16th, 2002, 03:51 AM
I don't think that there IS a "by law official language" of the US. If English were to become our official language we are all in trouble! English professors get so exasperated at the bad language habits that have proliferated in America through the generations. Put the following in a room and just see if they can EFFECTIVELY communicate. A bayou Cajon, someone from Jersey, someone from the coast of Maine, a Texan, someone from SoCal, an Hawaiian, someone from Tabacco Road, and a Minnesotan. I think eventually they'll make it with American but Prince Charles would NEVER understand them.

Phreakmeister
March 16th, 2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Jeff:
Well I live in the South, and there aren't too many Spanish speakers around here (maybe 5% MAX I would estimate...). So Spanish as the dominant language down here would not be in the forseeable future.

In a great part of Texas Spanish already is the main language.

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Enforcer
March 16th, 2002, 04:29 PM
wat dag je van Frieslanders, Phreak (nou ja die spreken vbaak ook nog gewoon Nederlands, maar dan ook nog met quite the accent..)

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March 16th, 2002, 06:15 PM
Fryslân boppe met Foppe

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weldordave
March 17th, 2002, 03:25 AM
I think Jeff meant "our" version of The South. Generally the Republic of Texas is not included. Dixie South since Jeff is from---Georgia(?)

Phreakmeister
March 17th, 2002, 09:34 AM
I thought he was talking about the geographical south. Still, I honestly do think that the US in due time will become the next hispanic country.

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paulgro
March 18th, 2002, 02:00 AM
What the US is becoming is a bi-lingual country. Not a spanish speaking country. It's in our best interest to be bi-lingual because of our borders. Califoria and Texas border Mexico so of course you will have many spanish speaking people living and working there. Florida is a stones throw from Cuba so the same thing. Puerto Rico teaches english in there schools. If they don't speak english it's because they choose not to. Most if not all European countries teach english in their schools. The language of this country is english and always will be whether it is written on paper or not...

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Phreakmeister
March 18th, 2002, 12:43 PM
Only the future can answer that question...

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March 18th, 2002, 02:45 PM
Look at the larger picture -- because of its dominance of teh Internet, English will probably become the world's second language. Eventually it may become the first.

Serendipity
March 18th, 2002, 07:46 PM
Here's the Article (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97apr/english.htm) I posted in the other thread. Well worth reading http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

Is the question, as far as an official language in America is concerned, not this: On the one hand, make English the official language of the US, with all the legal rersponsibilities involved with doing so, and on the other hand, leave it as a cultural thing: if America becomes Hispanic/whatever, that's due to cultural and demographic changes and so is a natural phenomenon. ?

If so, what do you prefer - to have your language protected by the law, or to look after it yourself?

Phreakmeister
March 19th, 2002, 10:48 AM
I doubt whether English will remain the main language in the world. In ancient Rome, Greek was THE language. In the Middle Ages it was Latin. In the Renaissance it became French. In the late 19th, early 20th century, it became German. After WW2 it became English. I think the next main language will be either Arab or Portuguese (with the growing importance of Brazil).

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jettmotto
March 22nd, 2002, 01:03 PM
i'm almost willing to bet it will be spanish, just for the simple fact that when i was in junoir high in cali. spanish was a required class, that and we can't seem to stop them from coming to america and when they get here we don't know what they are saying!

jettmotto
March 22nd, 2002, 01:06 PM
oh yeah, one more thing i hope it becomes southern (dixie) just because its a cool accent http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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March 24th, 2002, 03:55 PM
LOL Jeff http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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