Its just worth saying once in a while

[RK.]

I get this sent to me every once in a while and I think its worth re-reading just to remind us of whats important now and then.

Bet you stand up and say HELL YEAH! after you read this.

I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for squirting out babies.

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts!

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion. I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.

The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television,and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the UnitedCaucasianCollege Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different,weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70%of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the law of statistics.

I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private matter or my personal business. It would be "FIRED" immediately!


My father and grandfather should not have died in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry !!! if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the order"freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.

I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document and open to their interpretations.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television, and that doesn't stop you from watching them. I believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you..

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid and smack his/her little !!! when necessary and say "NO".

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please stay home until that new lip ring heals, I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness" and of all the suck ups that go along with it. I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa, so how can they be "African Americans"?
Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a French-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from France. I am proud to be from America and no where else.

And if you don't like my point of view, tough!
GET OVER IT!!! WAKE UP WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A COUNTRY TO WAKE UP TO.

If you are not ashamed of America, forward this to everyone in your address book while you can still do it for free.

[dave404]

I think I can make this shorter:

1. Irrationality, ignorance and a tenuous grip on history are underrated virtues. The confidence to believe you know everything will get you through. Have faith.
2. Other people's prejudices are stupid. And they're sooo self-righteous. Why can't they be more like me?
3. I chose to be born here, those people chose to be born somewhere else, then changed their minds later. Idiots.
4. Uh, tax is bad. M'kay?

[MJ_junkie86]

Originally posted by RK.
I get this sent to me every once in a while and I think its worth re-reading just to remind us of whats important now and then.

i actually agree with a lot of wat the guy writes, infact i agree with everything he wrote.

MJ

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by dave404
I think I can make this shorter:

1. Irrationality, ignorance and a tenuous grip on history are underrated virtues. The confidence to believe you know everything will get you through. Have faith.
2. Other people's prejudices are stupid. And they're sooo self-righteous. Why can't they be more like me?
3. I chose to be born here, those people chose to be born somewhere else, then changed their minds later. Idiots.
4. Uh, tax is bad. M'kay?

Making something shorter does not necessarily make it better. You skip over all the good stuff! :wink

This writing has been attributed to several authors and rebutted by urban legends. Too bad... The author did a good job and should be given credit for his efforts. Unfortunately, liberals have diluted the strength of his message with laws that encumber the free.

[dave404]

I'm teasing a bit. Some of it is quite sensible. Some of it.

[Idnew]

That's a very good one. I've gotten it several times in email.

[mtz23]

haha...good !%!%!%!%!%.

[Serendipity]

I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is.

Machines don't own or operate themselves.

Some good stuff there, but I would poke in the eye anyone who emailed it to me.

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by Serendipity
Machines don't own or operate themselves.

Some good stuff there, but I would poke in the eye anyone who emailed it to me.



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Can you help me Idnew? :lol

[Ateo]

Voters don't own voting machines. Their votes are at the mercy of whoever it is (fallible humans) who control/supervise the tallying process.

[Serendipity]

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DustyB, it only goes to show that modern technology can't solve all our human problems :wave :wink

[Idnew]

Can you help me Idnew? Not in this case.:wink :lol

[DustyBottoms]

Once again Charlie Daniels speaks his feelings and once again he is right on the money. Charlie needs to be writing for a major news magazine.

The Straight Scoop from Charlie Daniels

I've just returned from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Naval Air Station base where we did three shows for the troops and toured several locations around the post visiting with some of the finest military personnel on planet earth. The kids seemed to really enjoy the shows and especially liked "This Ain't No Rag, It's A Flag" and "In America". We had a great time with them.

We saw Camp X-Ray, where the Taliban detainees are being held only from a distance, but I picked up a lot of what's going on there from talking with a lot of different people.

The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on site presence there and watches everything that goes on very closely. The media is not telling you the whole truth about what's going on over there. The truth is that these scum bags are not only being treated humanely, but they are probably better off health wise and medically than they've ever been in their lives. They are fed well, able to take showers and receive state of the art medical care. And have their own Moslem chaplain. I saw several of them in a field hospital ward where they were being treated in a state of the art medical facility.

Now let's talk about the way they treat our people. First of all, they have to be watched constantly. These people are committed and wanton murderers who are willing to die just to kill someone else. One of the doctors told me that when they had Taliban in the hospital the staff had to really be careful with needles, pens and anything else which could possibly be used as a weapon. They also throw their excrement and urine on the troops who are guarding them. And our guys and gals have shown great restraint in not retaliating. We are spending over a million dollars a day maintaining and guarding these nasty killers and anyone who wants to see them brought to the U.S.A. for trial is either out of their heads or a lawyer looking for money and notoriety. Or both.

I wish that the media and the Red Cross and all the rest of the people who are so worried about these criminals would realize that this is not a troop of errant Boy Scouts. These are killers of the worst kind. They don't need protection from us, we need protection from them. If you don't get anything else out of this soapbox, please try to realize that when you see news coverage much of the time you're not getting the whole story, but an account filtered through a liberal mindset with an agenda.

We have two fights on our hands, the war against terror and the one against the loudmouthed lawyers and left wing media who would sap the strength from the American public by making us believe that we're losing the war or doing something wrong in fighting it. Remember these are the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein's Republican guard was going to be an all but invincible enemy and that our smart bombs and other weapons were not really as good as the military said that they were.

They also took up for Bill Clinton while he was cavorting around the Oval office with Monica Lewinsky while the terrorists were gaining strength and bombing our Embassies and dragging the bodies of dead American heroes around the dusty streets of Somalia. It's a shame that we can't have an unbiased media who would just report the truth and let us make up our own minds.

Here I must commend Fox News for presenting both sides much better than the other networks. They are leaving the other cable networks in the dust. People like being told the truth.

Our military not only needs but deserves our support. Let's give it to them.

The next time you read a media account about the bad treatment of the Taliban in Cuba, remember what I told you. Been there done that.

Footnote: I got an e-mail from a rather irate first cousin of mine the other day who has a daughter who's a lawyer and she seemed to think that I was painting all lawyers with the same brush. Please understand that I'm not doing that at all. That would be like saying that all musicians were drug addicts. There are a lot of good and honest attorneys out there. I happen to have one of them. But it seems that they never get any airtime. It's always the radicals who get their opinions heard, who fight the idea of the military tribunals and cite The Constitution and the integrity of America as their source of justifying their opinions. Well, first of all The Constitution says "We the people of the United States", it doesn't mention any other country.

And secondly as far as integrity is concerned, I don't think some of these folks would know integrity if it bit them in the posterior.

What do you think? God Bless America.

Charlie Daniels

[dave404]

I'm a great admirer of Charlie's music, which is fantastic, but when he says things like:
I picked up a lot of what's going on [in Guantanamo Bay] from talking with a lot of different people.
I can't help but be a teensy bit underwhelmed. Run that by me again Charlie? You spoke to US military personnel who work at Guantanamo Bay, and came away with the impression that it's a fine well-run thoroughly worthwhile sort of place. Well, I never.

Next week: Charlie talks to lots of people who used to be executives at Enron, and learns how in fact this whole financial scandal business has been blown "way out of proportion".

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by dave404
I'm a great admirer of Charlie's music, which is fantastic, but when he says things like:

I can't help but be a teensy bit underwhelmed. Run that by me again Charlie? You spoke to US military personnel who work at Guantanamo Bay, and came away with the impression that it's a fine well-run thoroughly worthwhile sort of place. Well, I never.

Next week: Charlie talks to lots of people who used to be executives at Enron, and learns how in fact this whole financial scandal business has been blown "way out of proportion".

Yes - Just completely ignore the meat of what he says.

The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on site presence there and watches everything that goes on very closely. :confused

[Idnew]

I love Charlie Daniels and he was here in concert a couple of years ago and he said if you don't like what I say or sing then feel free to leave before I get started.

Ted Kennedy was asked about GB yesterday on CNN since he had just been there and had nothing bad to say about it.

[dave404]

DB,

I'm not ignoring what he says, I'm disputing that it counts for anything. Anything at all. As far as I can tell, it's as informative as a fart.

As Idnew says, there are far more heavyweight people than Charlie who've been allowed to take a much closer look at the operation. What's the point?

As you both know perfectly well, if there is anything at GB that the authorities do not want people to see, it's very easy to keep it away from them, because they control every aspect of access. That applies to the Red Cross, Ted Kennedy and yes, even Charlie Daniels.

If you want to keep posting articles about how so-and-so thinks it's fine to hold people without trial in conditions that apparently are governed by no laws whatsoever, in conditions that are not open to random inspection, go right ahead. Whatever it takes to make yourself feel good about America's national embarassment.

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by dave404
DB,

I'm not ignoring what he says, I'm disputing that it counts for anything. Anything at all. As far as I can tell, it's as informative as a fart.



I'll post this (for the third time) for your comments:

The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on site presence there and watches everything that goes on very closely. :whistle

[Serendipity]

Dusty: Click Me (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/30/politics/30gitmo.html?ei=5090&en=8ce0d0463a785bfd&ex=1259643600&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=print&position) for an article filtered through a liberal mindset with an agenda - that agenda may possibly be to tell the truth, or even to point folks back to the quaint old-fashioned notion that people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, but these are subtleties that Mr Daniels seems not to understand. Quite how he is qualified to declare that the Guantanamo detainees are "committed and wanton murderers who are willing to die just to kill someone else" (like, all of them?? Well, no need for any trials then!) beats me, but hey, I too probably have a liberal mindset with an agenda. Not letting unqualified hogwash influence my thinking is part of that agenda.

New York Times

WASHINGTON, Nov. 29 - The International Committee of the Red Cross has charged in confidential reports to the United States government that the American military has intentionally used psychological and sometimes physical coercion "tantamount to torture" on prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

The finding that the handling of prisoners detained and interrogated at Guantánamo amounted to torture came after a visit by a Red Cross inspection team that spent most of last June in Guantánamo.

The team of humanitarian workers, which included experienced medical personnel, also asserted that some doctors and other medical workers at Guantánamo were participating in planning for interrogations, in what the report called "a flagrant violation of medical ethics."

Doctors and medical personnel conveyed information about prisoners' mental health and vulnerabilities to interrogators, the report said, sometimes directly, but usually through a group called the Behavioral Science Consultation Team, or B.S.C.T. The team, known informally as Biscuit, is composed of psychologists and psychological workers who advise the interrogators, the report said.

The United States government, which received the report in July, sharply rejected its charges, administration and military officials said.

The report was distributed to lawyers at the White House, Pentagon and State Department and to the commander of the detention facility at Guantánamo, Gen. Jay W. Hood. The New York Times recently obtained a memorandum, based on the report, that quotes from it in detail and lists its major findings.

It was the first time that the Red Cross, which has been conducting visits to Guantánamo since January 2002, asserted in such strong terms that the treatment of detainees, both physical and psychological, amounted to torture. The report said that another confidential report in January 2003, which has never been disclosed, raised questions of whether "psychological torture" was taking place.

The Red Cross said publicly 13 months ago that the system of keeping detainees indefinitely without allowing them to know their fates was unacceptable and would lead to mental health problems.

The report of the June visit said investigators had found a system devised to break the will of the prisoners at Guantánamo, who now number about 550, and make them wholly dependent on their interrogators through "humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, use of forced positions." Investigators said that the methods used were increasingly "more refined and repressive" than learned about on previous visits.
I've had a look for anything that says the Red Cross has a permanent presence there (if they didn't before, why do they feel they should have one now?). Nothing yet, but I guess we can just take Charlie's word for it, eh? After all, he's reliably informed and is obviously an expert in these matters - "been there, done that", as he puts it, and who am I to argue with that?

[DustyBottoms]

:lol So now it is torture to have a doctors blessing of our procedures..:lol

The team of humanitarian workers, which included experienced medical personnel, also asserted that some doctors and other medical workers at Guantánamo were participating in planning for interrogations, in what the report called "a flagrant violation of medical ethics."

The United States government, which received the report in July, sharply rejected its charges, administration and military officials said.


I'm not buying it. I'm with Charlie. Prison is not the Hilton. :smash

Lawmakers back Bush's policies after visit to Guantanamo Bay
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
By BILL CAHIR
Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- Three New Jersey lawmakers this week paid a six-hour visit to the Pentagon's terrorist detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and subsequently offered a blank-check endorsement of Bush administration's wartime detention policies.

U.S. Reps. Frank LoBiondo, Jim Saxton and Rodney Frelinghuysen -- all Republicans -- proposed no changes to U.S. procedures or conduct.

They said they were alarmed by the dangers posed by the accused terrorists now incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay. The lawmakers claimed many of the 518 suspects imprisoned there would attack U.S. citizens and interests again if given the chance. And the New Jersey officials claimed they were impressed by the cleanliness of the U.S. prison facilities, including five camps, which they described as dramatically improved since autumn 2001.

"We've heard very conflicting reports from groups or individuals who have described this as a gulag or a hell-hole or a torture chamber," said LoBiondo, R-2nd Dist. "The evidence that we saw yesterday clearly demonstrates ... that this is a very professionally, well-run facility that is neither a prisoner-of-war camp nor a prison. It's something in between that we've never dealt with before, but clearly, we have to."

The New Jersey lawmakers also described themselves as satisfied with the thorough training required of the servicemen and women on guard detail, some of whom were learning military police skills at Fort Dix before serving in Cuba.

Unwilling to challenge the Pentagon or the president during wartime, the lawmakers did not call for ordinary legal defenses, including public trials, for the terror suspects.

"Normal rules don't apply to people like this," LoBiondo said. "I'm going to leave it to the courts to decide."

The New Jersey trio, three of 10 House lawmakers who flew south on Monday and returned to Washington on Tuesday, claimed U.S. authorities were continuing to gather valuable intelligence from terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.

The U.S. facilities in Cuba are holding dedicated al Qaeda terrorists, some of whom were providing intelligence to U.S. authorities and others who were refusing to cooperate and vowing to attack Americans again, the lawmakers asserted.

The inmates were well-fed and well cared for, receiving medical care that in some cases surpassed the quality of that available to soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan and Iraq, Frelinghuysen claimed.

House lawmakers on Monday spoke with prison guards and military personnel who conduct interrogations. Lawmakers also inspected facilities.

Saxton stressed that the Pentagon had upgraded its detention facilities in Cuba in response to requests from the International Red Cross, which had sent personnel to inspect the Guantanamo Bay facilities at least once every six months.

[Serendipity]

Dusty, you ARE just yanking my chain, yes? I mean, you're not actually being serious? I do hope you're not.

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by Serendipity
Dusty, you ARE just yanking my chain, yes? I mean, you're not actually being serious? I do hope you're not.

Show me some bruises, wounds or other injuries before asking me to believe this torture crap. I've probably had worse treatment in boot camp.

Besides, we've released most of them to go back and rejoin the insurgency.

You guys think the Islam-extremists and insurgents are totally unrelated to the captives at GB. I think otherwise.

[Serendipity]

No, I have no doubt that there are some genuinely nasty people held at GB. I do not presume guilt before innocence, however. I do not believe that holding people without trial or charge is noble or necessary, however humanely they be treated. And I most certainly do not believe that a group of Republican politicians will deliver anything like an independent verdict, or that they can form an accurate picture of what conditions there are like within 6 hours - this is why I find that post hard to take seriously.

[dave404]

The lawmakers claimed many of the 518 suspects imprisoned there would attack U.S. citizens and interests again if given the chance
Ha. Indeed. If they weren't radicalized before they went in, chances are they are now.
the New Jersey officials claimed they were impressed by the cleanliness of the U.S. prison facilities Last time I looked, dust bunnies were not the chief concern in all of this.
Unwilling to challenge the Pentagon or the president during wartime Uh huh. All the President has to do is claim to be at war with someone somewhere. Though you'll also find most Republican senators unwilling to challenge the President anywhere near an election, or in a month with a vowel in it, for that matter.

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by Serendipity
No, I have no doubt that there are some genuinely nasty people held at GB. I do not presume guilt before innocence, however. I do not believe that holding people without trial or charge is noble or necessary, however humanely they be treated. And I most certainly do not believe that a group of Republican politicians will deliver anything like an independent verdict, or that they can form an accurate picture of what conditions there are like within 6 hours - this is why I find that post hard to take seriously.

Here are some democrats reluctant aprovals...

Degrading treatment does not equal torture.

California Democrat Ellen Tauscher, who has pushed for greater transparency about the facility, told AP news agency there had been progress since reports about alleged human rights abuses.

In pictures: US prison camp
"The Guantanamo we saw today is not the Guantanamo we heard about a few years ago," she said.

"What we've seen here is evidence that we've made progress," said Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat who believes the facility should close.

But legislators agreed that more needed to be done to ensure a legal framework to deal with detainees, some of whom have been held for three years without charge.

The group toured cell blocks and ate lunch with troops, a meal of chicken with orange sauce, rice and okra that was also served to inmates.

They watched the interrogation of three suspects, including one in which a detainee was read a Harry Potter book aloud for hours until he turned his back and put his hands over his ears.

None of the detainees was physically touched.

'Degrading treatment'

United Nations human rights investigators last week urged the US to allow them to inspect the facility.

They said there were "persistent and credible" reports of "serious allegations of torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees".

In response, Vice-President Dick Cheney told CNN that the detainees were well treated, well fed and "living in the tropics".

White House officials say there are no plans to close the facility because, they say, the detainees are too dangerous to release while the fight against terrorism continues.

[Serendipity]

They watched the interrogation of three suspects, including one in which a detainee was read a Harry Potter book aloud for hours until he turned his back and put his hands over his ears. There you are - blatant torture. :wink

I can accept that conditions at GB have improved - I should bloody well hope they have! I cannot accept that Charlie Daniels is qualified to inform us about the place.

[Ateo]

Wait a minute...is it seriously being suggested here that a pre-arranged tour of the facility during which the observing politicans saw nothing askew is proof that nothing bad goes on there?

[Serendipity]

Originally posted by tigsnort
Wait a minute...is it seriously being suggested here that a pre-arranged tour of the facility during which the observing politicans saw nothing askew is proof that nothing bad goes on there? Something like that, yes.

[DustyBottoms]

Originally posted by Serendipity
There you are - blatant torture. :wink

I can accept that conditions at GB have improved - I should bloody well hope they have! I cannot accept that Charlie Daniels is qualified to inform us about the place.

You can always send your buddy Sean Penn over there...

[Serendipity]

Originally posted by DustyBottoms
You can always send your buddy Sean Penn over there... Please - I wouldn't settle for anybody less than St. Bob Geldof :wink