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kontulib
June 6th, 2002, 02:11 PM
Murder: Life sentence
Manslaughter: Imprisonment 8-12 years
Criminally negligent homicide: Fines or imprisonment most 6 years
Abuse/assault: Fines or imprisonment most 2 years
Gross abuse/assault: Imprisonment 1-10 years
Slight abuse/assault: Fines
Theft: Fines or imprisonment most 2 years
Grand theft: Imprisonment 4 months - 4 years
Petty theft: Fines
Arson/Sabotage: Imprisonment 1-6 years
Gross arson/sabotage: Imprisonment 2-10 years
Robbery: Imprisonment 1-6 years
Armed robbery: Imprisonment 2-10 years
Rape: Imprisonment 1-6 years
Gross rape: Imprisonment 2-10 years
Espionage: Imprisonment 2-10 years
Gross espionage: Imprisonment least 6 years or life sentence
Domestic disturbance: Fines or imprisonment most 6 months
Violent domestic disturbance: Fines or imprisonment most 2 years
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paulgro
June 10th, 2002, 03:42 AM
Some of those sentences are more a slap on the wrist...
weldordave
June 11th, 2002, 04:22 AM
What the he11 is the difference between "gross rape" and"rape"?
Or "gross arson" and "arson"?
Is it a matter of subjectivity?

Maybe this is where the Euros get their slanted ideas on American crime. WE call a crime a crime. WE don't quantify it. So I guess this is how Phreak gets his idea that crime is so rampent in the US. Maybe the assasination in Amsterdam on May 5-6 would be considered a "gross mugging"? Maybe the school shooting 60 miles south of Amsterdam would be called a "gross misunderstanding", rather than murder.!
kontulib
June 11th, 2002, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by weldordave
What the he11 is the difference between "gross rape" and"rape"?
Or "gross arson" and "arson"?
Is it a matter of subjectivity?

Maybe this is where the Euros get their slanted ideas on American crime. WE call a crime a crime. WE don't quantify it. So I guess this is how Phreak gets his idea that crime is so rampent in the US. Maybe the assasination in Amsterdam on May 5-6 would be considered a "gross mugging"? Maybe the school shooting 60 miles south of Amsterdam would be called a "gross misunderstanding", rather than murder.!


What makes rape gross? Finlands penal code says at rape is gross rape if you are using "extremly dangerous violence" or the victim is juvenile or if the rape is "especially humiliation" etc.
~wildangel~
June 11th, 2002, 12:47 PM
Gross rape: Imprisonment 2-10 years :eek: :eek: That is nothing worse than a spanking:rolleyes:

Rape is rape, gross or not, in my opinion:confused:
weldordave
June 13th, 2002, 05:03 AM
How about, all rape is gross?
~wildangel~
June 13th, 2002, 01:44 PM
Yep, it is:(
kontulib
June 18th, 2002, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by weldordave
What the he11 is the difference between "gross rape" and"rape"?
Or "gross arson" and "arson"?
Is it a matter of subjectivity?

Maybe this is where the Euros get their slanted ideas on American crime. WE call a crime a crime. WE don't quantify it. So I guess this is how Phreak gets his idea that crime is so rampent in the US. Maybe the assasination in Amsterdam on May 5-6 would be considered a "gross mugging"? Maybe the school shooting 60 miles south of Amsterdam would be called a "gross misunderstanding", rather than murder.!

BTW Dave...you americans have 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder etc...:rolleyes:
weldordave
June 19th, 2002, 12:37 AM
Ah, right you are! I thought about that after I posted. You are absolutely right. We quantify murder instead of rape and arson. Made me stop and think. Thanks for the brain-jogger, Kontulib.
July 12th, 2002, 09:52 AM
This law of rape is really sick! I remember one case which raper got smaller punishment becuase this raped woman has dressed a miniskirt!! Unbeliavable.
I don't remember how this case ended, but it was sensation in Finnish media..
paulgro
July 12th, 2002, 07:37 PM
They use to try and use that for a defense here (U.S.) Some may still try. I don't care if a woman is walking down the street naked, it still doesn't give you the right to do what you want. I think the courts take that into account now...
kontulib
July 13th, 2002, 05:09 AM
Welcome Trelffen!!! FINNISH INVASION!!! :clap :clap :wave :wave :D :D
Phreakmeister
August 13th, 2002, 08:12 PM
In Italy that was actually the verdict of a judge: the woman wore jeans, so the jeans must have been taken off with her permission, otherwise they couldn't have been taken off at all, so the man didn't rape her, it was just plain voluntary sex............
[*No kidding*]
How voluntary would you take off your clothes with a knife at your throat or a gun against your head?