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DEAD ZONE
May 2nd, 2002, 01:32 PM
Is it just me,or has the legal system gone a little madd.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4003055&BRD=982&PAG=461&dept_id=467992&rfi=6

On Thursday morning, Kerr is to turn himself in to 45A District Court in Berkley to be arraigned on two charges of assault and battery, 90-day misdemeanors.

"I would never believe this in my wildest dreams," Kerr said Tuesday of the charges. "I was afraid. You have to look at my picture. My two kids are sleeping, actually a third with my daughter's friend. I open the closet door and I see someone I've never seen in my life. I'm just glad I didn't have a gun."


What Kerr, 41, did have were his fists, and he hit the intruder several times before realizing it was a 14-year-old acquaintance of his daughter and her sleep-over friend.


A second intruder, also stuffed in the small bedroom closet, was the daughter's 14-year-old boyfriend. Kerr jerked him out of the closet.


The boys had attended the same party the girls did earlier in the evening.


The girls left the party about 11 p.m. and came back to the Kerr home. About 3 a.m., the boys came to the home, tapped on the daughter's bedroom window and were invited inside.


An hour later, Kerr was awakened by a bump and went downstairs to check on the girls. It appeared they were asleep. He began to walk out of the room when he heard the closet door wiggle.


"My heart dropped," he said. "I thought, 'Oh my God, there's someone in the closet.' "


He opened the door to find a person standing with his arms stretched toward the ceiling because of the tight fit in the closet. Kerr yanked the boy from the closet, falling on him in the process.


Kerr admitted hitting the first boy two or three times although the boy told police he was struck many more times than that. He did not strike the boyfriend, he said. Kerr, who said he has two felonies on his record, hired a lawyer and met with the police after the incident. He thought that would be the end of it. It wasn't.


"I think it's a bunch of baloney," he said. "What would anybody do? My No. 1 priority is to protect my wife and kids. (The boys) were hiding in my closet. That's what they told the police. What would you do if you found some unknown person hiding in the closet at 4:05 in the morning?"


James Halushka, director of warrants and investigations for the Prosecutor's Office, said Kerr's prior record was a factor in the decision to charge him. The office is going to take a second look at the facts.


"We're going to take this case under review at this point," Halushka said Tuesday. "We want to consult with the victims' families and the detective and take a closer look at their version and the defendant's."


Defense attorney Stuart Young, who represents Kerr, was surprised his client was charged at all. He said Kerr was simply defending his home.


"The man was scared out of his mind and he truly believed they were intruders in his home," Young said. "He did what any normal person would do - he reacted. We're going to try this case. He's not pleading guilty to anything.


"I can't understand for the life of me why they're charging him. The theory is he used unnecessary force but no one got hurt. They're lucky he didn't come down with a shotgun."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27450

"These guys were working
in their business when a convicted felon breaks
into their building, threatens to kill them, comes at
them, and when they defend themselves and save
their own lives they are the ones that are criminally
prosecuted."
Police found no weapon on Walker other than a
hammer. As a result, a Baltimore County grand jury
indicted Kifer and Der Nov. 28, 2001, even though
both claimed Walker threatened to kill them.
Neither Kifer nor Der has criminal records, according
to Patricia Romero, a spokeswoman for the legal
group. Der allegedly shot Walker with a .45-caliber
pistol; Kifer allegedly used a 12-gauge shotgun.

little_army_babe
May 2nd, 2002, 04:05 PM
The guy shouldn't go to jail or even to trial. He did what was correct even by the law to defend his home. But on a good note those boys will think twice about sneaking into someone's home at that time of the morning to be with a couple of teenagers.

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It wasn't me I swear! It was the one armed, invisiable man!!

RayH
May 25th, 2002, 06:34 PM
There does have to be an investigation to make sure what says occured did in fact happen. But the defendant will probably be let go. A

DV8
May 26th, 2002, 11:43 AM
I see what you mean when you think he should be let off but honestly, I dont agree.

This man, Kerr, obvoiusly acted before thinking. I am glad, too, he did not have a gun in his hand. Think about it, if this man was let off without problems, he may believe it is just that easy to get away with assult and battery.

A 14 yo boy, unless well built and tall [but also able to fit into a closet] couldn't possibly be mistaken as a man ready to rape the kids.

Anyway, wouldn't you pull out the person in the closet, maybe pounce on him and possibly pull him arm behind his back, shout a few times before throwing punches?

RayH
May 26th, 2002, 02:12 PM
I live in San Francisco, directly across the Bay from Berkeley. Others may think of Berkeley as some politically correct hippie Mecca. But it's in the middle of serious crime area.

It ajoins Oakland, the murder capital of the US. The Hells Angels headquarters is in Oakland. Have you ever seen a 14 year old gang banger or youthful rapist.

One of the most serious and heavily punished offenses in California is first degree residential burglary. That is, evening residential burglary because people are home and there is a likihood of the residents becoming a victim of violent crime. Home invasion is happening like it's the thing to do. Home invasion is not burglary. It out and out armed robbery in your own home.

The father faces the possibility of spending the REST OF HIS LIFE in prison because of someone acting like an intruder! The father is no professionally trained to determine who is and who is not a burglar. Nor could he determine if the person is armed or not.

I don't know how big the closet is. Some closets in this area could hide the late Andre the Giant. Newer homes have wall-to-wall closets. Older homes have deep closets.

Once on a hot summer night, a guy high on drugs walked into my home and sat down in my bedroom. My wife screamed. I also had three preschoolers at the time.

I was quite excited and agitated. I dialed 911 police/emergency services. The dispatcher refused to tell me if the police were being dispatched, instead demanding that I change my tone of voice.

Had I not had a friend over who was able to get something out of the dispatcher, I might have killed the intruder with a baseball bat. You might think of someone high as being on "friendly" marijuana. I thought maybe this crazed druggie was on PCP, speed, or heroin. I was going to protect my family. Luckily for the both of us, he just sat there until the police arrived five minutes later.

Also, remember we are living in the area where Polly Klaas, a 12 year old was kidnapped from her home during a slumber party. She was later raped and murdered.

Anyone creeping around my house at night had either be named Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy!

Idnew
May 26th, 2002, 02:26 PM
LOL Ray for sure

little_army_babe
May 27th, 2002, 12:38 AM
I know one thing for sure is if I ever am put in the situation than I'm gonna act before I think. I know that if I caught someone in my home I'm not going to pay attention to detail. Besides this guy is 41 years old does he really need to learn a lesson? At that age you're already at a point where you're not going to change because you think you can get away with something unless you have nothing to lose or you're just down right dumb!!!!

CBranski
May 28th, 2002, 12:33 AM
No way this man should be charged, we have 14-year old gangbangers around here as well. I'm not saying the 14 year old kid in question was in a gang, but he should not be sneaking into people's homes. But given the fact that he snuck into a slumber party, I have a pretty good idea what he had on his mind...

Serendipity
May 28th, 2002, 04:48 AM
It's not ridiculous that the case should be investigated - as RayH (hiya Ray - long time!) pointed out, there was an incident, so there should be an investigation. But there's something way wrong if he's convicted, especially as he didn't do any serious damage.

They say it's because he has a criminal record that he's being charged. So ex-cons have no right to defend themselves? It's not as though he went out looking for a fight. IMO criminals should pay for their crimes in prison, not for the rest of their lives. Or not like this, anyway.

jettmotto
May 28th, 2002, 08:43 AM
ummm...

i went on house arrest about a month ago, and about 2 weeks ago i caught someone sneakin around my house (i live ten miles from town) i called the sheriff and dispatch told me that by the time an officer made it here the "suspect" would be gone so they didn't send anyone!! now i can't do ANYTHING because if i go out with a gun, or go out and start pounding the guys face in that violates my probation and i go to jail...BUT had i not been on probation i guaranty someone woulda went to the hospital man woman or child cos you don't sneakin in or around peoples houses at nite time! i think our military/armed services calls that the element of surprise! but who gets the surprise first, right??

oh and one more thing here in indiana if an intruder is in the house, its your RIGHT to shoot first then ask questions belive it or not!

RayH
May 28th, 2002, 08:56 PM
The basis of American law is RETREAT. That the honest citizen is obligated to try to retreat frist. But with the original post, the intruder was already inside the house, laying in wait! Youngsters may think of it as hiding. But that's the narrow line.

What town in Indiana allows burglars to case the hose unmolested one day to come back another?

jettmotto
May 30th, 2002, 08:38 AM
i tell you which....the most crucid, untrusted, where you gotta know someone or be someone to get any help what-so-ever by law enforcment,. otherwise they are harrassing you, tippecanoe county. money makes this "town" (lafayette) look it up if your that interested, but we have one of the highest "dui" rate and drug arrest rate for the counties of indiana because they arrest people for "1" beer and driving, or a pipe in their vehical, but no drugs! i think that if indiana, or tippecanoe county for that matter worried more about criminal cases then clutering up the jail with drug offenders that have ONE joint/ or ONE beer, they could spend more time helping the people who have these prowlers! and like you said they may not be breakin in......just scoping the place out to see whats worth taking the next time they come back! :eek:

DEAD ZONE
June 1st, 2002, 05:24 PM
A 14 yr old kid is just as dangerous
as a 40 if armmed.You cant
tell in the dark.My nephew is only 12 and as tall and almost as big as me.If you take the time to try and rastle,you are shot.You must act at once or run like heck.
This guy did what he had to to protect his kids.he does not deserv to be prosecuted.

RayH
June 1st, 2002, 06:15 PM
It's not what was ACTUALLY happening that's the problem. It's what was PERCEIVED as happening. The father perceived an intruder in his daughter's room.

So youngsters, let this be a lesson.

~wildangel~
June 6th, 2002, 12:40 AM
Everything you said RayH was right on! My husband would have probobly killed the kid, not let him live.... we too live in a very bad neighborhood, San Jacinto and in our mobile home park alone was 4 murders, one a man shot his daughter, his neighbor and then killed himself, the neighbor lived, she still lives in here, and a 16 year old gangbanger on PCP a couple years back raped an 60 year old women with brooms sticks and other foreign objects and stabbed her numerous times!

14 year old kids are crazy now a days, some of them! Especially in CA from what I know! I was myself :o

RayH
June 6th, 2002, 08:17 AM
I hope the younger members of the board realize that no one is advocating murdering a 14 year old kid who wanted to visit their girlfriends in the middle of the night.

We "old folks" just want you to understand how sneaking around in someone's house in the middle of the night might be pervceived. Those creeping and hiding will be preceived as burglars, rapists, and murders lurking about.

But it's alright if you didn't have sense before. I, too, was a teenager. But I was a teenager is less terrifying times!