The following is issued by a spokesman on behalf of the "non-combatant people" of NI

[Gusty]

"During several year's of armed conflict waged on our behalf by a variety of paramilitary group's, there were many incident's which we civilian's severly inconvienced our tireless freedom fighter's, and jeopardised their vital operation's. these incident's include: people setting off booby trap's which were not intended for them, bearing a slight similarity to "legitimate target's" , living in the wrong area ,obscuring the target's of sniper's by walking recklessly across our own street's, and generally being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"While it was never our intention to be killed or wounded, the reallity is that on a number of occasion's , this was the consequence's of our action's.We would therefore offer our sincere apologies to those paramilitary orginisation's , whose public relation's and mediaimage's have been damaged by the sight of civilian casualtie's in world-wide newspaper publication's and television new's broadcast's."

[ariel]

I love it when people take responsibility for their own actions.

Any response as yet?

[The Horseman]

£1 on Ian Paisley declaring it a 'Papist plot'

[Gusty]

I wish I could beleive the IRA where sorry but the action's of last weekend speak louder than their action's.


Republican's shot a young Protestant in Ardoyne as he playing with his baby girl,this in turn start's a chain of event's which end's with a young Catholic lad being murdered in another part of North Belfast.
If these men of hate (and mean both side's)are sorry for their action's then we need them disband the war's over or so we are told.But then it would mean the loss of money for the boy's as they would have to stop selling drug's and robbing bank's ect....

[The Horseman]

God help the lot of you

[Gusty]

It's all part of the peace dividend horseman.

Blair need's to take a stronger stance but then he is afraid of bomb's on the mainland.

[The Horseman]

It's like talking to a loada bar-room drunks

The only wise thing Clinton ever said

[Gusty]

Least with a bar load of drunk's you could talk a little bit of sense into some of them...........

Sandy Row has rioted for the last two night's why?.
Simple one of their number was arrested by the PSNI and they are now claiming that it was the police who started the trouble.I was in Bradbury Place which is close to Sandy Row and where the PSNI arrested the teenager (PSNI stated that they arrested a drunken 14 yr old male) if this eejit was part of the group that was handing out abuse to passer's by then tough sh*te, you deserved it.
:mad

[The Horseman]

Is there a solution to the N. Irish Question?

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Gladstone was often near to solving the Irish Question, but every time he came up with an answer, the Irish changed the question

1066 and all that

[Gusty]

The Answer is 42

[The Horseman]

:lol I suppose it is sort of 'the ultimate question', isn't it?

[Gusty]

That is very true.......

You have to just laugh at it and get on with your life, if you don't you'll go bloody mad.

[The Horseman]

D'you honestly think there's an end in sight, ever?

[The Horseman]

Oh and btw -

On behalf of the united peoples of Great Britain, the British governing classes, and all those ultimately responsible, I would like to apologise to the Irish for our supreme ****-up of the Irish partition, and all subsequent problems

Thank you

[ariel]

No point apologising- in hindsight what do you believe would have been the correct course of action?

In actual fact, it would appear (given the climate of the times ) there was no other course of action. What would you do? Ship all the loyal British subjects back over to the UK? Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.

I do not know the answer to improving the current situation- but I'm sure a confederation is NOT the answer.

Gusty???

[The Horseman]

Well, generally I thought I'd apologise for the B-Specials, the effective ban on Catholic policies getting through the first Northern Irish parliament, internment and general things like that.

[Gusty]

If you read the work's of Dr Ian Adamson you will find out that the British subject's in Ulster are related to the Cruthin who where the first people recorded as being on the Island of Ireland.
The O'neils who lead the Gael invasion of Ireland where from Wale's and had been trained by the Romian Empire which is why they able to push the Cruthin out of Ulidia.
Many of them fled to Scotland and in was thier desendent's that returned to Ulster in the 17th century.

As for the B Special's like Bloody Sunday tell a lie long enough and it will become the truth..

[Phreakmeister]

What about independence? Do you think independence for Northern Ireland might solve the question? The unionists want to join the UK, the republicans want to join Ireland. It can't happen that only one gets his/her way, and both is physically impossible. So what if neither country got Ulster? What if Ulster became an independent country, with catholics and protestants in the government, just like in just about any European country? Would that bring peace to Ulster, or not?

[The Horseman]

But is Northern Ireland economically viable as an independent state?

[Gusty]

Originally posted by The Horseman
But is Northern Ireland economically viable as an independent state?


Nope.....



We don't want to join the UK we want to fecking well stay in it.
As for Catholic's a Protestant's in the same Goverment we have that now.

[The Horseman]

They're suggesting joint sovereignty in some places you know

[Gusty]

No way horseman.............I do'nt mind sharing trade and such but to have a nation that from the start set out to dicredit Northern Ireland, and during the early year's of the trouble's even supply and train men of terror....................NO WAY

[The Horseman]

Hey, I don't believe in joint sovereignty. Personally, I've always thought that the best thing to do is let Northern Ireland have self-determination

[Gusty]

We had it before the trouble's and we've sort of got it now.

Time will tell if it will work.


:cool

[The Horseman]

Hope it does

[Gusty]

I'm in to mind's a bit of me do'es and a bit of me do'es'nt.


I am very anti-agreement, but I want peace, though not at a price

[The Horseman]

Well, you may have to have peace at a price.

(I'm mildly anti-agreement too, but I can't think of a better solution)

[Gusty]

I know there has to be a price ,but the price seem's to be too high at the moment,but we will just have to grin and get on with it....................thank God the footie season has started and I've got somthing else more important to worry about....:cool

[ILENSER]

This will never end. Centuries of fighting.I'm afraid centuries more will pass before it's done. God Forbid. This is still personal to many of us.

Ilenser....
Bobby O`Neal

[Gusty]

It's never been personal to me ,I would ike to think that I was above that.
To me it's about knowing what's right and whats wrong.

[The Horseman]

Yeah, but different people have different definitions of right and wrong. That's the problem.

[ILENSER]

I sorry, But NEITHER side is right.

[The Horseman]

Yeah

[Gusty]

I never said that any side was right or wrong......

[The Horseman]

I know. I'm just agreeing with Illy

[ILENSER]

I'm sorry I knew I sould not have got in this tread. It's like < NO NOT LIKE, IT IS> when family fight, you cant go to either side. You just have to stay out of it.

I leaveing this thread the subject well not get solved in my life time.
Did not mean to stur crap up.

[The Horseman]

Calm down Illy. It's just a simple arguement, not a complete thread-war