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[Idnew]

http://denniso.home.mindspring.com/urinetest.html

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[wardensu]

I think the key phrase is "used to defraud a urine test for drug testing" or something like that. I sure don't want someone building my house or working on commercial planes that is a "crack-head" !!! Surly they can come up with a better reason than not wanting their employers to know whats in their urine!! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/eek.gif Pass the law !! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif No different than taking a urine test for D.U.I. Sometimes the results keep you OUT of trouble !!!

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...on the road again...

Good business idea. I might do that.

I think that is the dumbest law ever. People shouldn't even be tested for drugs at all, and I don't see why anyone cares what one does with one's urine, as long as it does not affect you.

[wardensu]

Hey Coca, there is an airplane repair company in this place where I live. A few months ago some very small, expensive, IMPORTANT parts of the planes were being stolen. The company ran a drug test on all employees and found 4 "crack-heads" that had been doing the stealing to support their habit. Now, I ask you...do you want your family to fly in ine of those planes ?? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

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...on the road again...

Yes, those men should be fired, based on the fact that they stole stuff. The fact that they're "crack-heads" should have no bearing on the decision, provided it doesn't interfere with their work.

[Idnew]

Coca either your a drug user or you are not familar with drug users. A crack head or whatever kind of drug user, or any of the other major drugs, is a danger to others on the job. They not only will steal anything they can but could endanger your life depending on the job they hold. For instance a tree trimmer that is on drugs could cut into a power line, an airplane mechanic could do something wrong and cause the plane to crash, etc. etc. Their mind is not on their jobs. How do I know this? My son got hooked on crack 11 yrs ago. He wasn't worth a !%!%!%!% at life or his job when he could hold one and stole everything he could get his hands on. I'm all for drug testing. I don't want my life in danger. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/frown.gif

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Now you're just stereotyping. The mere fact that someone uses drugs doesn't mean that it controls them.

And yes, I am a drug-user. That doesn't mean that drugs are all I care about. Do you drink alcohol?

[Idnew]

With the exception and maybe not the exception, because I have seen marijuana users smoke them like cigs. Just have to have them, have a fit if they can't have one and if they do then they get very argumentive. Everyone that I have ever known, the drugs control them. My girlfriend shot herself in the head and killed herself, because she couldn't get any money to buy more cocaine and crack. My son lived and breathed for how to get money for drugs. Another girl I know snorts coke and gets very vulgar. Are you trying to say alcholol doesn't effect you either. Oh please get in the real world. I hope you don't have a job that effects other people's lives.

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[This message has been edited by Idnew (edited July 11, 2000).]

Those are the actions of people who are addicted to drugs. Addicted is the key word here. Not all people who use drugs are addicted to them. I know a lot of people who smoke weed once a week. How is this any worse than someone who goes to a bar every Friday night? (In fact, it's better than going to a bar every Friday night, health-wise.)

And, as of yet, I have not made any comments on alcohol. I was simply asking whether or not you drink it.

"Light the match, burn the flower,
Leave behind all the wrong,
Why be sad, when happiness can be bought for a little more than free?
Modern-day prohibition,
Are we men? Are we children?
At what age can I choose how to live?
The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs,
Haven't we learned our lesson?
The cornerstore sells fire scotch,
But who's got uncut powder?
We just want what is ours,
If God created plants and buds that I find and abuse,
Then who the !%!%!%!% are you to judge me?"
-Fat Mike

[This message has been edited by Coca (edited July 11, 2000).]

Gotta disagree with ya here Idnew.

There is a difference between working high and getting high. It seems that a lot of people can't see that. If I'm drunk in my home, don't drive or hurt anybody that's okay. If I'm behind the wheel of a car drunk, that's NOT okay, whether I hurt anyone or not, because the potential for harm is so high.

That's funny that someone would want sell their urine!! YUCK!!!

[cleoeo]

You'd have to be pretty drug addled to spend $69 for a beaker of pee. What, you don't have a single drug free friend who will help you out? And what kind of nitwit legislator would propose a law against selling pee to defraud? It'll just create a vast underground black market for pee, with shadowy figures in overcoats selling overpriced vials of questionable purity to desperate customers. All pee sales should be legal, rigorously regulated, and properly taxed. Piss on the whole idea.

[Code_Monk]

"because I have seen marijuana users smoke them like cigs. Just have to have them, have a fit if they can't have one and if they do then they get very argumentive"

You exposure to marijuana either must be
very limited or those people were also
on other drugs.

I used to smoke marijuana and it just made
me very relaxed, much like a drink after work
for some people. I have seen FAR more people get argumentative after a few drinks than someone after a few hits of pot.

I work with a few people that smoke marijuana
on a fairly regular basis. I work right next to one. When he has a few puffs, he is much more relaxed and does a better job because he is less distracted. He concentrates on what he is doing far more when he has a little buzz.
But he never gets ****faced at work.

I have seen drug addicts of all kinds, Crack,
Heroin (was a heroin addict myself, quit cold-turkey in 1989 and have not had any since), Speed etc.
To put people that smoke pot in the same category as those that do these other drugs is ludicrous.

Granted, there are some that smoke like a chimney, but from my experience (I used to be a professional musician too http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif), there are far more "casual" smokers than there are
full blown "pot junkies" chain smoking pot.

Note : We do not build airplane parts http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif
(or anything that if it failed, the public would be in danger).

[~wildangel~]

I think it is important that drug tests are done in certain jobs,and im not talking about burger flipping at Mc.Donalds.My husband works 40 feet up in the air,sometimes higher on boom lifts and scissor lifts and there is a guy there that gets high every morning before he goes to work (at 6:00 each morning)and he is always tired and lazy and it's so unsafe to be in any kind of condition <not being fully alert> up on those lifts with the work they do.The guy already had the lift up on three wheels which could of tipped over!He is risking the lives of others by his weed habit.Fortunatly my husband isnt working with the guy anymore,switched locations.I just think that with iron workers/steam fitters and other union (or non-union)jobs there should be tests done.

[~wildangel~]

Oh and Im not talking about an occasional pot smoker either.Every once in a while i will smoke a little bud cause my neighbors smoke it all the time,lighting up joints(like ciggarettes"wanna hit?",I dont work though,so i'm like "why not take one or two hits"and ill smoke it only at night,but my husband quit as soon as he got his job.when he was a mechanic he even smoked it occasionally,but never at work.If your not addicted to it,then why would you need to smoke it at work? http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif Oh and if something did happen to my man at work and it was the fault of another man,still want to know if he is on something because I'd like to sue the hell out of them if they were high.

[cleoeo]

My parents' neighbor semi tractor/trailer rigs for a living. He was bent because the company he drives for "randomly" tested him 3 times in as many Months. Finally he figured it out. The company needs to conduct "random" tests to comply with insurance and hauling contracts, so they "randomly" test the guys they know are clean. Big rig drivers are hard to find right now and they don't want to lose somebody because they test positive for dope. So every Month Jerry gets to pee in a cup. He should consider selling the stuff to the other guys!

Originally posted by ~wildangel~:
I think it is important that drug tests are done in certain jobs,and im not talking about burger flipping at Mc.Donalds.My husband works 40 feet up in the air,sometimes higher on boom lifts and scissor lifts and there is a guy there that gets high every morning before he goes to work (at 6:00 each morning)and he is always tired and lazy and it's so unsafe to be in any kind of condition <not being fully alert> up on those lifts with the work they do.The guy already had the lift up on three wheels which could of tipped over!He is risking the lives of others by his weed habit.Fortunatly my husband isnt working with the guy anymore,switched locations.I just think that with iron workers/steam fitters and other union (or non-union)jobs there should be tests done.

Although I agree that this person shouldn't be high at work, drug-testing simply wouldn't work. You could be "busted" for it months after you last smoked up. For example, I noticed you said you smoke it occassionally. Now, you also mentioned that you don't have a job, but if you did, would want to lose your job because of it, given how much you smoke and the fact that it sounds like you do so responsibly. I know I wouldn't.

"If your not addicted to it,then why would you need to smoke it at work?"

Marijuana is not an addictive, substance, btw.

Originally posted by Coca:
Now you're just stereotyping. The mere fact that someone uses drugs doesn't mean that it controls them.

And yes, I am a drug-user. That doesn't mean that drugs are all I care about. Do you drink alcohol?Well...if you are a pot head...no the drug does not control you....but if your a crack head..the drug absolutly controls you...those people would kill for crack(literally)...

[paulgro]

Erich, welcome to the board!

[paulgro]

I've been staying away from this thread, but it's time for me to get in.
There's alot of dope out there, some not so bad some that will kill you. People are taking elephant tranquilizers (angel dust). The guy you buy your junk from, do you know what he cuts it with? Might be powered chocolate, might be rat poison or do you trust him? There is LSD that was put out in the 60's that you can still get today. Take just alittle too much and your a veg for the rest of your life. Don't try and compare this stuff with alcohol, it won't work. My teens were in the 60's and I did my fair share of dope back then like everyone else, now I know better. Just like I don't want someone working on an aircraft drinking, I don't want someone taking any kind of drug that might alter them in any way. Thumbs up to urine testing IMO.

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[Serendipity]

What, though, about this guy selling his pee for a lot of money, and the people who pay a lot of money for it? Now, the vendor is out of the picture, since if he wants to sell pee, that's up to him. Anyone who wants to buy it, that's fine too, weird but fine. It's just the using of it in drug tests that bothers me. Now, I, like most sensible people here, don't want anybody endangering lives directly or indirectly through their drug use, so if the buyers of this pee get caught using it in drug tests, then what? Sack them, since tey are comitting fraud, or use a different test? DNA sampling of hair is a pretty good way of finding out what someone's been taking, a blood test is effective too. That's the thing. If this kind of pee selling becomes too common, employers will shift their test to one that can't be cheated.

that guy is just gross. who would even want too sell thier pee. that is just sick

[paulgro]

Believe it or not it was done all the time when they had the military draft. Guys would buy bad pee so they wouldn't be drafted.

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[Idnew]

Really Paul.

I can't believe this is re-activated after so long.

My opinions haven't changed. I'm sick of hearing that weed just relaxes you and it's not addictive. My daughter's new boyfriend can't function during the day if he doesn't have his weed everyday. He spends a lot on it that he could be spending for new tires that he needs. I'm proud to say I have only tried it once and that was more than enough. I don't want anybody smoking it around me or doing any other drug around me. I'm all for drug testing anyway they want to test for it. Selling your urine is pretty darn gross. Guess you have to drink a lot of water to keep up sometime.

[paulgro]

Idnew, you miss read! I said when they had the draft!

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You guys are right, weed and alcohol are not comparable. Alcohol is considerably worse in almost all respects. It is addictive, it causes permanent brain damage and can kill you. Weed holds none of these qualities.

[wendy66]

weed doesn't cause brain damage? BS

[Idnew]

No Paul I was referring to this thread being brought back to the top.

Well it causes something because I see how different those around me act, on and off of it.

"weed doesn't cause brain damage? BS"

For some unknown reason, I couldn't get my other link to work. But, if you go to http://www.aje.oupjournals.org/search.dtl and do a search for a an article containing the word "cannabis" in May 1999, you will find the article. Those who earnestly seek the truth will not mind the difficulties, I'm sure http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Coca (edited December 17, 2000).]

Originally posted by Idnew:
No Paul I was referring to this thread being brought back to the top.

Well it causes something because I see how different those around me act, on and off of it.

Temporary effects.

[Serendipity]

Coca, that makes no difference. Idnew's talking about how she perceives people on cannabis; just because the effect is temporary doesn't make it OK. The short-term effects of cannabis can lead to a lot of wasted time, I should know, and I've been smoking it a lot longer than you.

It depends how you use it and how often. If you're always on weed, then I would agree that it is wasted time. But in moderation, it can help one relax and unwind, which are very important, not to mention spur creative endeavours, ease the pain of those who are suffering, and generally lead to a good time for all involved.

[wendy66]

people who are high on weed "think" they are more creative, pot just slows down your thinking process enough that you are so "super" aware of thought, that you mistake it for creativity or intelligence. Sure it's fun, but it is a mind-altering drug, I don't want someone "altered" doing surgery on me, ever.



[This message has been edited by wendy66 (edited December 18, 2000).]

I don't know whether you've done weed, but even if you have you can't say what the person experiences. It has vastly different effects on different people, with different amounts and with different types. To say what they're experiencing is to tell me what all my thoughts are.

[cleoeo]

Brace yourself Coca: the effect can change as you get older, too. I enjoyed toking years ago. Eventually, though, all it did was make me disoriented and paranoid (not exactly a good time). Haven't smoked it in years and don't personally want anything to do with it. Wish I could say the same for tobacco - I enjoy my cigs. My pee's clean except for nicotine & caffine.

REally? Most older people I've talked to say it gets better as you become more experienced, but as I said, it can have entirely different on different people. But I sure hope that doesn't happen to me! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/eek.gif

Hey everyone. I'm new to this board. I would like to comment on this "pee guy" and a few other things. I saw this guy on one of those morning news shows, and there are many reasons why he is selling his pee besides testing for drugs. Did you realize that if a potential employer is testing you for drugs as a screening process, they can also use your urine to check for things like PREGNANACY?! Of course, if you are pregnant, this makes you less than ideal for the job, because they will then have to deal with you going on maternity leave or quitting altogether when the baby is born. There are many things they can find in urine besides drugs that would cause a company not to hire you, if they were so inclined.

Admittedly, this is not a situation that would happen with much frequency at this point, but in the future, I think it is very possible, especially with testing of hair and/or blood. They can check you for any number of defects or predispositions to various diseases.

I have taken a drug test once, and it was just that...a drug test. I sat and watched the lines on the cup as they were changing. I should also note that I HAD been using drugs, but I bought one of those herbal cleansing drinks to clean my system, and I passed just fine. I certainly understand the need for drug testing, I just don't know if it is very practical. Then again, I got the job I applied for, and I did the job perfectly (in my opinion.) http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

Please excuse me if I'm rambling now, but I would also like to give my opinion on drug and alcohol use. All drugs are NOT the same. I think most people realize that. I've used almost every drug, but I only used pot and pills (possibly alcohol) on a regular basis. Pills are the worst. They are just soooo addictive. Valium, Percocet, Soma, etc. Pot is not quite as bad. I think it is certainly the most harmless of drugs, but there are many side effects. Paranoia is the one I think I hear most often. That is why I quit (a few weeks ago.) Not a terrible paranoia, like crack causes, but more like you don't want to go inside of a store or talk on the phone or see your family when you're high. The obvious reason being, that you know you will do or say something incredibly dumb. I have looked like a fool on many occasions due to pot and pills. I'm through with it. I want my brain back. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

[LawEn4cer]

Coca how nieve you are if you think drugs does not affect a person's work habit. Drugs slow your reflexes, your ability to think straight, etc...why on God's green earth would it not matter to you if a person who had your life in control (mechanic, driver, pilot, etc...) did drugs. I'm glad drug testing is in place, it's there to protect me from others....I sure don't want some officer high on some drug shooting me because s/he thought I was some kind of threat or something like that. I'm sorry if drug testing inconvience's you and your drug habit. http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Hey is anyone here NOT a drug user? (excluding ex drug users) I have nothing against you (drug users)....just curious if anyone isn't because it just seems like everyone has a story about doing drugs except me...*I feel loney* http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[Serendipity]

Law, would you please do what we drug- and ex-drugusers do (it is a vast thing, the world of narcotics, and it spans ALL walks of life, including the Police, politics, and every profession), and differentiate. There is a huge difference between pot, heroin, LSD, booze, coffee, tobacco, religion, television and speed (these are all drugs, legal or not). One of the worst things about being a potsmoker was the media throwning me in the same pile as the smack addicts and crack-heads, when I lived on a different planet to them. You do drugs, Law, maybe legal ones, maybe not even physical ones, but you're no different. Yep, everybody does drugs.

[saint]

hay law i am clean and have been for19teen years *thinks to him self wait that is my age*
seren those booze, tobacco, reglion, cofee/cafeine, television.
does not make most poeple kill some one to get it.
like i said most poeple. there a few case some would kill to get a drink and or tobacco.
but u here more poeple geting hurt bye poeple who r trying to support a habit like drugs then u do someone drinking some coffee.

i am in father of durg test for poeple that effect other poeple.
because i work in the back of a grocier. we get one truck a night that requires use to unload it on sissor lifts. we have one guy that nearly nocks u off every time u get one with him i don't care about me geting nock off but if a pallet gets nock off i hope he was not drinking or some thing else.
i just try not to think of what will happend if some one where to get cought under the lift.



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[Serendipity]

Saint, I appreciate what you say, but I've never committed a secondary crime in order to get drugs, nor has anybody I know, but I never hung out with the crowd who steal to feed their habits. Money is a drug too, and it's amazing what ppl will do to get their fix of THAT.

[LawEn4cer]

Ok Serendipity...I know I'm a 'drug' user...but the discussion was about illegal drugs....so I didn't think I needed to clarify I meant "Is anybody here not an illegal drug user?!?" In normal text of dialog between two people when asked 'do you do drugs?' does the other person think 'hmmm, do they mean illegal or legal?' http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I know I'm a 'drug' user...bjt I'm trying to clean up my act abit... http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif I have no time for TV; I don't believe ther is one right religion; quit smoking and drinking soda http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif;I'm trying to kick that habit of coffee drinking every Monday morning (that one's a killer... http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[~wildangel~]

Well If coffee is a drug than paulgro's a drug attic!

Dippy you brought up an excellent point, money Is the most addictive drug in the world because not only do we crave it, we need it! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

[paulgro]

Can't have enough Coffee!!! http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[saint]

seren that is y i say most
because i know ppl that r so addict to durgs but they cought not harm a fly

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The great mass of people...will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.

I see many interesting views here. Let me add mine. I don't use drugs. I smoked a little pot in my younger years, but I don't anymore. I work in a job where I am drug tested. It's a safety related government job. If I came to work drunk or high I should be fired. What I do on my own time is my own business. If my employer had probable cause for the test or it was a post-accident test I could see it. Random tests seem to go against the constitution's right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. However, as an employee I am not entitled to that right. I tolerate it to keep my 70 grand per year job. If I didn't make at least 50 grand I would tell them to stick that test bottle where the sun doesn't shine. That's my 2 cents worth.

[~wildangel~]

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SKIPPY, my husband just got in the union a little over a year ago and doesnt do drugs(PERIOD) but he doesnt yet max out at 70 grand a year and would not tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine because his job is extremely important to him and it's not about how much you make a year, but about the benefits and the support you can give your family, he happens to like his job.It IS a really good job http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Originally posted by Coca:
"If your not addicted to it,then why would you need to smoke it at work?"

Marijuana is not an addictive, substance, btw.

Hi everyone, interesting topic. I just wanted to reply to Coca's post -- Marijuana IS an addictive substance - it's not physically addictive but it can be psychologically addictive, which just means that for most people, when they smoke it regularly for a while, they start to THINK that they "need" to smoke it to be "calm" or "relaxed" or "focused", etc. etc. But it's an addiction nonetheless, just like being addicted to Pepsi or chocolate, it's no different and no worse.

[paulgro]

Welcome to the board!!

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[~wildangel~]

Welcome to the board, cool nickname http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif
I agree with you also!

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[saint]

we just recently fired some guy for drinking on the job
we know he was doing it but no one accually saw him
so some one caught him and the next day he got fired
we also thinks he smoke before he came to work and during work. not smart. *thinks to him self ucan get hurt back there if not focused*(:§ http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.dumblaws.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[Idnew]

Welcome digital.

Law only tried pot once. Took about two hits no more. Have a g/f that doesn't drink but she has got to have her joint and she lit one up in my car and I had to make her put it out cause it was making me literally sick. Then she starts acting all stupid after she smokes one. Got stopped by the law when I ran one of those yellow instant red lights and she jumps out of the car hollering "I'm straight I tell you" I could have strangled her. I didn't get a ticket but it's a wonder they didn't search us for some reason and she had weed on her, so guess she forgot about it. Boy did I chew her out when they left. Don't never volunteer anything to the law period. But that was just plain dumb which made her and me look guilty of something.

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[paulgro]

In my state if someone jumped out of the car when stopped, they'd probably get shot. I wouldn't blame the cop either, you never know what's gonna happen out there!

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Come on everyone. There is a distinct difference between being under the influence of drugs while at the workplace and being under the influence of drugs at home, on your own time. How is it possible that the occasional pot smoker at home is endangering the lives of airline passengers if he is not under the influence of drugs while at his job as an airline mechanic? By the same logic, you would have to argue that the cop that got drunk on friday night is endangering public citizens by willfully operating his cruiser under the influence on Monday morning.

No rational person would argue that workers under the influence of drugs while at work should be terminated. In fact, I have done just this to several employees. Would I consider it for drugs outside of work? No way.

These policies are in place solely from governmental pressure due to the abysmal failure of the 'drug war'. The logic is that if people don't suffer the consequences from Johnny Law of doing illicit drugs at home, bring the workplace into the equation since many people fear for their paycheck. It is a real effort to attach a serious social stigma with financial repercussions to try and absolve this so called problem.

Are all thiefs and incompetent workers drug users? uuuhhhh NO!! Are all drug users thiefs and incompetent workers? uuuuhhh NO!! So why are these idiotic policies in place? Pressure from government --> insurance agencies --> companies --> to the hapless worker population in the states.

[~wildangel~]

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[paulgro]

Welcome Wood...
Pot isn't the only drug on the planet. If it was you wouldn't need thse laws. You have designer drugs that last for hours in your system that speed you up or slow you down. If you want your pilot to take a hit of acid the night before and fly you plane next day, then you're crazier then me.....

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[Ada_Doom]

I think the main thing is that you have to make a difference between weed and everything else. Someone who got stoned last night is no more dangerous than someone who got pissed, but someone who got high on something else probably is.
As for whether or not weed is addictive, I only know that my friend used to smoke fags, and have the occaisional spliff. He gave up the fags, and suddenly had to smoke weed all the time. He used to come round to our house, and keep saying "can we go and smoke, can we go and smoke" until someone agreed. I don't know whether that was the weed, the nicotine, or the need to smoke something...
I don't use any drugs myself, and I wouldn't. I don't need them to have fun/relax, so I don't see why anyone else does. (For the record, I do drink, but some of my best nights out have been sober).

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[CBranski]

One of the failures of the drug war has been the failure to realize that people will try-and sometimes need to-escape from the reality of their lives.

Another failure is the inability to differentate (sp?) between dangerous drugs and those that are not so dangerous-Marijauna is a perfect case in point.

Here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; we have a population of about 600,000 people. In this city, one can find at least 1,100 licensed taverns as well as countless liqour stores and supermarkets that sell booze. Since approximately 70% of Wissconsin adults admit they drink, no one wants to question the impact that alcohol has on life here. (For the record, I also drink.) Drunk driving is a problem here, if you don't believe me hop on the freeway at 2:30 AM Saturday. So is the problem of those with serious emotional problems and choose to medicate themselves with drink, never realizing their full potential.

Regarding tobacco; I smoke and have been trying to quit for several years, and I'm but 29 years old.

Regarding weed: I've smoked it any times, and have no addiction to it. In fact, I used it to get rid of migraine headaches, and the side effects were far less severe than with prescription pain killers. For example: prescription pain killers left me groggy on the so-called morning after, but the weed while applied only left me giggling at bumper stickers I saw on other cars going down the freeway. I also had the obvious appetite, which was a good thing-when these headaches were raging, I lost about 15 pounds. (When you're 5'5" and 145 pounds, a 15 pound weight loss is fairly pronounced.)

Oh man, this is getting long winded, so I'll get to the point: I believe that weed should be legalized based on my experience. While it killed headaches in my younger years, it helped me relax at other times with no desire to drive or throw up as is the case with alcohol.

While I'm not a scientist, one cannot deny experience as emperical fact...

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